Top Screw joins Socialist Party

[emanymton]

they are all just playing the game.....

Don't we all have to play the game though? I get up each morning and go to work, do my job as well as I need to shop in ASDA, occasionally drink in starbucks. Each of these is a concession to the capitalist system but we all need to make those concessions just to live and have a good as life as we can force out of the shit world we are forced to live in

 

[Blagsta]

They all benefit from the system dont they Blagsta. And they all benefitfar more than prison officers......So if people want to say all screws and OB are the enemy why not all solicitors?

What?

 

[tbaldwin]

Don't we all have to play the game though? I get up each morning and go to work, do my job as well as I need to shop in ASDA, occasionally drink in starbucks. Each of these is a concession to the capitalist system but we all need to make those concessions just to live and have a good as life as we can force out of the shit world we are forced to live in

Fair enough.....Look yes i will concede there have been some really good solicitors......( you had to prise that one out of me) but if your going to write off a whole group of workers i think its extremely lazy and shallow to specifically pick on people like Screws and the OB who are right down the scale of people who do very nicely out of the system thanks....

 

[tbaldwin]

What?

What what?

 

[emanymton]

Fair enough.....Look yes i will concede there have been some really good solicitors......( you had to prise that one out of me)

Yay,

but if your going to write off a whole group of workers i think its extremely lazy and shallow to specifically pick on people like Screws and the OB who are right down the scale of people who do very nicely out of the system thanks....

Well one of the problems I have with that is that I don't see screws and cops as workers as in order to be a worker somebody has got to be extracting profit out of you. The fact that bottom of the rung screws and cops are not paid all that well just shows how ideologically committed they are to the satus que. As InBloom as said several times it's not a question of weather individuals are decent or not the bottom line is that their chosen carrier will at some point put them in direct opposition to the workers movement. Something which is not neccesarry the case with solicitors, some will but some will not.

 

[tbaldwin]

But emanymton if your against the Class system it makes sense to look specifically ( one for In Bloom) at who most benefits from the staus quo....Have you ever had contact with a prison officer or a solicitor?

 

[emanymton]

But emanymton if your against the Class system it makes sense to look specifically ( one for In Bloom) at who most benefits from the staus quo

Company directors?

 

[tbaldwin]

Company directors?

Trouble is with all of this writing people off is on what basis?
I mean screws and OB bad? What about probation officers? Are they bad or not so bad as there more likely to be well educated?

 

[In Bloom]

Fair enough.....Look yes i will concede there have been some really good solicitors......( you had to prise that one out of me) but if your going to write off a whole group of workers i think its extremely lazy and shallow to specifically pick on people like Screws and the OB who are right down the scale of people who do very nicely out of the system thanks....

It's not about who does well or whether or not somebody is a good person though. That's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

The point I'm trying to make is that screws are going to come into conflict with prisoners, if you're doing prisoner support stuff for people who are inside because of (for instance) union activity, that makes working alongside screws untenable.

 

[The39thStep]

I'm still waiting for you to start using a coherent argument.

Pity you are incapable of leading by example then.

You basic premise seems most people are in prison because of some anti capitalist struggle and that they need to be supported by anarchists like you. Therefore when you are doing prisoner support work ( what ever that is) then the POA are the enemy because they are somehow part of a system of day to day systematic abuse.

Is this about right?

 

[In Bloom]

You basic premise seems most people are in prison because of some anti capitalist struggle

Are you actually fucking illiterate?

 

[tbaldwin]

It's not about who does well or whether or not somebody is a good person though. That's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

The point I'm trying to make is that screws are going to come into conflict with prisoners, if you're doing prisoner support stuff for people who are inside because of (for instance) union activity, that makes working alongside screws untenable.

But if people are locked up (for instance) union activity might be better if the prison officers had a strong union themselves and ideas of solidarity with other workers.
Which again makes me think you were wrong to slag the SP off for recruiting a prison officer.

 

[The39thStep]

Are you actually fucking illiterate?

Yup to O level standard. And yourself?

 

[emanymton]

Yup to O level standard. And yourself?

You have an O level in illiteracy? Bet you got an A.

 

[In Bloom]

But if people are locked up (for instance) union activity might be better if the prison officers had a strong union themselves and ideas of solidarity with other workers.
Which again makes me think you were wrong to slag the SP off for recruiting a prison officer.

Yeah, because having a strong union totally changes the relationship between screw and prisoner, doesn't it?

 

[The39thStep]

You have an O level in illiteracy? Bet you got an A.

 

[durruti02]

What, specifically, about the role of all solicitors in the criminal justice system do you object to?

that they are central? surely .. it is a cop out that because most screws are bullies ( and w/c) and most solicitors wear suits ( and are m/c) that the role the professions played is blurred .. just beacuse on the left there are a good few GOOD m/c class professionals should not blur the role these professional play in perpetuating class society ..

 

[durruti02]

It's not about who does well or whether or not somebody is a good person though. That's irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

The point I'm trying to make is that screws are going to come into conflict with prisoners, if you're doing prisoner support stuff for people who are inside because of (for instance) union activity, that makes working alongside screws untenable.

but that is the point .. if we maintain this always negative thing you never convert anyone the w/c is jammed full of contradictions ... and tbh supporting prisoners has its contradictions too .. i am not sure i think caton should or can claim to be a socialist i know too little about him but it is in all our interests to encourage syndicalism in the PS which is what he has done

 

[In Bloom]

but that is the point .. if we maintain this always negative thing you never convert anyone the w/c is jammed full of contradictions ... and tbh supporting prisoners has its contradictions too .. i am not sure i think caton should or can claim to be a socialist i know too little about him but it is in all our interests to encourage syndicalism in the PS which is what he has done

Conversions are for Jehovahs Witnesses and rugby players, what matters is how things play out in the real world, not what set of ideas any given individual decides to "convert" to. And the reality is that screws and prisoners of any kind are not likely to be participating in any of the same struggles any time soon.

 

[revlon]

Conversions are for Jehovahs Witnesses and rugby players, what matters is how things play out in the real world, not what set of ideas any given individual decides to "convert" to. And the reality is that screws and prisoners of any kind are not likely to be participating in any of the same struggles any time soon.

gerald ronson? ernest saunders? jeffrey archer? jonathan aitken?

 

[In Bloom]

gerald ronson? ernest saunders? jeffrey archer? jonathan aitken?

Do you have anything to say that hasn't already been answered repeatedly already?