Tony Blair Pulls the Plug on Kyoto at Clinton Summit

[Bernie Gunther]

In what way is "Blair supports Republican stupidity" a revelation to anyone?

 

[pbman]

Your position as well I believe.
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Of course, its the only logical one.

Anyways its huge news that tony has fliped flopped.

And it tells me what i alleady know about your press.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Ok, you don't like him i unederstand that, but he recently won re-election, so no doubt many people do like him.

Don't you think important news like him flip floping on koyoto, should be reported?

Its a pretty big policy shift.

When do you think the people should be told anyways?

Yes, it's disgraceful how the mainstream media protect Bush supporters, isn't it?

I wasn't around when this happened anyway so I don't know whether it was reported (I was on stupid training course bullshit). Perhaps it did get reported and you didn't notice. Perhaps it was just thought to be par for the course, the sort of thing he does anyway.

 

[pbman]

Look at the percentages. And the opposition.

Still people deserve to know about major policy shifts that effect their lives and their jobs................

It happned on the 16 ffs.

 

[chooch]

Of course, its the only logical one.

Of course, if you insist on proceeding from axioms provided by shameless fuckwits.

 

[pbman]

Yes, it's disgraceful how the mainstream media protect Bush supporters, isn't it?

I wasn't around when this happened anyway so I don't know whether it was reported (I was on stupid training course bullshit). Perhaps it did get reported and you didn't notice. Perhaps it was just thought to be par for the course, the sort of thing he does anyway.

It wasn't reported.

Your press is covering for him.

It just flew across talk radio last week.

In the old days shit like this would have never gotten out.

I just love new media.

 

[pbman]

Of course, if you insist on proceeding from axioms provided by shameless fuckwits.

What that you guys are not going to hit your goals?

Or any one else.


He's just admiting the blatanly obviouse.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

So, what, are the media here commies or not? Make up your mind. They can't be helping BushBlair *and* be commies.

(Flew across talk radio... ooooooooh.)

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Now if the Hadley Centre had just flip-flopped on climate change, that would be news. Blair has no credibility left on any issue. He's probably just getting ready to hit the profitable lecture circuit at places like Bob Jones University.

 

[exosculate]

He's not Saint Tony then? My extremely giddy Great Aunt.

 

[pbman]

So, what, are the media here commies or not? Make up your mind. They can't be helping BushBlair *and* be commies.
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Shure they can. when the alternative is even worse for your veiws.

Commie press would suport jack the ripper, if they needed to.

Thats a given.

 

[pbman]

He's not Saint Tony then? My extremely giddy Great Aunt.

I don't care to change your mind on that, i don't give a shit if you like him or not.

I just wondering now why you are happy you were not told about this extreamly important policy shift.

Do you really like being ignorant?

 

[exosculate]

Shure they can. when the alternative is even worse for your veiws.

Commie press would suport jack the ripper, if they needed to.

Thats a given.

You talking nonsensical rubbish is a given.

 

[exosculate]

I don't care to change your mind on that, i don't give a shit if you like him or not.

I just wondering now why you are happy you were not told about this extreamly important policy shift.

Do you really like being ignorant?

Oh the Irony (and no thats not steel without the carbon in it).

 

[pbman]

You talking nonsensical rubbish is a given.

ROFLMAO

Never thought i would see the day, you guys support not being told what your gov't is really doing.

I couldn't make up shit this funny if i tried.

 

[exosculate]

ROFLMAO

Never thought i would see the day, you guys support not being told what your gov't is really doing.

I couldn't make up shit this funny if i tried.

Give me strength!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Shure they can. when the alternative is even worse for your veiws.

Commie press would suport jack the ripper, if they needed to.

Thats a given.

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Please explain what sort of commie bias would explain them deliberately avoiding mentioning anything about Bush supporter Tony Blair that would make him look bad.

 

[chooch]

Now if the Hadley Centre had just flip-flopped on climate change, that would be news.

Aye. Ain't likely to happen though is it? Though, of course, it just might- science being science (whilst shameless Blair cuntery is shameless Blair cuntery).
Techcentralstation flipflopping would also be news of a kind- a shift in funding streams, perhaps.

 

[pbman]

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Please explain what sort of commie bias would explain them deliberately avoiding mentioning anything about Bush supporter Tony Blair that would make him look bad.

Admiting that we repubicans were right all the time, has got to be on top of that list.

Yes they don't like blair but they, could never admit we were right.

So they ignored this oportunity to slam blair.

But the reality is, that you guys can't meet your own goals.

QED its a worthless and unworkable treaty.

And thats what we said in about 1999 or so.

Admiting that the treaty is worthless, when it is in fact worhtless, is just stating the blatatly obviouse.

And that makes us right, not to sign it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, it's disgraceful how the mainstream media protect Bush supporters, isn't it?

I wasn't around when this happened anyway so I don't know whether it was reported (I was on stupid training course bullshit). Perhaps it did get reported and you didn't notice. Perhaps it was just thought to be par for the course, the sort of thing he does anyway.

Twas reported. Ages ago. Blair has been putting out the "Kyoto is dead" line for months, if not longer. If anyone even remotely interested in British politics and/or ecological issues didn't know Blair's "bent" on the matter then they must have been living in a cave.

Why peebs thinks this is news is beyond me, except insofar as his grasp of politics is so poor that he can only think in terms of binary oppositions.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Admiting that we repubicans were right all the time, has got to be on top of that list.

Yes they don't like blair but they, could never admit we were right.

So they ignored this oportunity to slam blair.

No. Hold on. All they'd have to do is say "Blair denies global warming, opposes Kyoto". Kyoto has great popular support everywhere outside of the US and everybody believes in global warming. There wouldn't be any necessity to say that the US govt was right. In fact, quite the opposite; the whole thing would be based on the fact that it wasn't, it wouldn't be an attack otherwise.

So what you're saying, really, is that the BBC is pro-Blair, ignoring what he says that could harm him politically. The bastard commies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't care to change your mind on that, i don't give a shit if you like him or not.

I just wondering now why you are happy you were not told about this extreamly important policy shift.

Do you really like being ignorant?

Except that rather than having this "news" "fly across talk radio a couple of weeks ago" we had news of this across the British media (from the Guardian to indymedia) back in July.

So who's ignorant now?

 

[pbman]

Twas reported. Ages ago. Blair has been putting out the "Kyoto is dead" line for months, if not longer. If anyone even remotely interested in British politics and/or ecological issues didn't know Blair's "bent" on the matter then they must have been living in a cave.
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Not as of last july.

He was still trying to push it.

Bush, Blair Still at Odds on Environment
Major New Treaty Years Away, Leaders Say; G-8 Protesters Quiet After Bombings........

Blair, the summit host, had been celebrating Britain's victory on Wednesday for the right to stage the 2012 Summer Olympic Games. But he was struggling to win U.S. approval of his agenda here, and lobbied Bush to embrace the mandatory curbs on greenhouse gases contained in the Kyoto Protocol, a treaty on emissions standards that was rejected by Bush and the U.S. Senate. The United States is the only member of the G-8 that has not ratified the 1997 Kyoto treaty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/07/AR2005070702231.html

And he's saying more than kyoto is dead, he's saying trying to do a new better version is also dead...........Its imposible to do and stupid to even try.

I do belive I said that once or twice myself.

Looking ahead to future climate-change negotiations, Blair said of such fast-growing countries as India and China, "They're not going to start negotiating another treaty like Kyoto." India and China, of course, weren't covered by Kyoto in the first place, which was one of the fatal flaws in the treaty. But now Blair is acknowledging the obvious: that after the current Kyoto treaty -- which the US never acceded to -- expires in 2012, there's not going to be another worldwide deal like it.

 

[pbman]

No. Hold on. All they'd have to do is say "Blair denies global warming, opposes Kyoto". Kyoto has great popular support everywhere outside of the US and everybody believes in global warming. There wouldn't be any necessity to say that the US govt was right. In fact, quite the opposite; the whole thing would be based on the fact that it wasn't, it wouldn't be an attack otherwise.

So what you're saying, really, is that the BBC is pro-Blair, ignoring what he says that could harm him politically. The bastard commies.

Don't connect the issues.

He doesn't have to deny global warming to admit that kyoto is a worthless treaty that should never have been sigend by anyone.

 

[fishfinger]

Pinkerton's article described Blair's remarks at the inaugural meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative on September 15 and misleadingly began by declaring, "Kyoto Treaty RIP." In fact, Blair's comments focused on the limits in achieving an international consensus in support of Kyoto and devising solutions that accept that reality once the treaty expires in 2012. Although he has acknowledged the improbability of getting the United States to agree to the mandatory greenhouse gas emissions standards in the Kyoto Protocol, Blair has continued to be an active supporter of such reductions, most recently at the G-8 summit in July.

In his September 15 remarks, Blair acknowledged that "no country is going to cut its growth or consumption substantially in the light of a long-term environmental problem." He added: "ome people have signed Kyoto, some people haven't signed Kyoto. ... That is a disagreement. ... It's not going to be resolved. But how do we move forward and ensure that post-Kyoto we do try to get agreement?"

source

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509200011

No plugs pulled there.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Don't connect the issues.

He doesn't have to deny global warming to admit that kyoto is a worthless treaty that should never have been sigend by anyone.

I addressed that. Kyoto itself has great popular support.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

source

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509200011

No plugs pulled there.

That might explain the whole thing really....

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Still, even if it is a propaganda distortion of what Blair actually said, the more widely spread the pbman version of the story becomes, the more it hurts Blair at home. So I think we should encourage this story to spread as widely as possible

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Indeed! The bastard denies global warming and wants to destroy the ozone layer with his bare hands!

Cheers, pbman!

 

[pbman]

I addressed that. Kyoto itself has great popular support.

Of course, loads and loads of low rent propganda will do that.

But since you guys can't reach your goals or come close its a f-ing joke.

And if the people knew the real numbers in money and jobs it was costig them to get nothing in return, theywould drop their suppot of it. (unless they are all crackheads)

And for him to admit that its worthless to renue it or sign a similar treaty when this one expires, thats a huge policy shift.