Tony Benn's dossier shall not be dodged
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neprimerimye
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DexterTCN said:
No it came from workers who 'donated' the monies concerned to the govt.
MatthewCuffe
New Member
Look at what is actually happening to the NHS. Billions have been pumped in and now the job cuts are accumulating.
We are struggling to find heateachers willing to do the job. Education has been flooded with idiotic targets from the mandarins in Whitehall.
New Labour has not trusted us.
The result is the greatest disconnection between Parliament and the people since the seventeenth century. The cynicism has become overwhelming.
Somehow we need to build bridges back between Parliament and the people like Isambard Kingdom Brunel. And bring trust back from its exile.
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Century_Revolution.html
http://www.quakerbooks.org/get/0-14-013732-7
We are struggling to find heateachers willing to do the job. Education has been flooded with idiotic targets from the mandarins in Whitehall.
New Labour has not trusted us.
The result is the greatest disconnection between Parliament and the people since the seventeenth century. The cynicism has become overwhelming.
Somehow we need to build bridges back between Parliament and the people like Isambard Kingdom Brunel. And bring trust back from its exile.
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Century_Revolution.html
http://www.quakerbooks.org/get/0-14-013732-7
MatthewCuffe
New Member
LIBERAL?????
How dare you, sir! You cur!
Gosh.
Blimey.
Lawks-a-mercy.
GREEN SOCIALISM is not Liberalism.
What, incidentally, is your understanding of Liberalism? And Socialism? And the environmental crisis we are in which means this New Labour clique is no longer sustainable - and, with 50% of seats from 30% of the vote, has not been a valid government since 2005?
How dare you, sir! You cur!
Gosh.
Blimey.
Lawks-a-mercy.
GREEN SOCIALISM is not Liberalism.
What, incidentally, is your understanding of Liberalism? And Socialism? And the environmental crisis we are in which means this New Labour clique is no longer sustainable - and, with 50% of seats from 30% of the vote, has not been a valid government since 2005?
neprimerimye
Well-Known Member
MatthewCuffe said:
It's no more socialism than New or Old Labour ever were.
MatthewCuffe
New Member
Sir, samurai cut away your 'Old' and take your accursed past tense and throw it in the gutter. Labour is here. Right here right now.
http://past.oxfordjournals.org/
There is no such thing as 'Old Labour'. That is the effect of Blair's hijack of the word Labour - it has made a distinction between 'New' and 'Old' that is false. That distinction mirrors our society, which uses the word 'old' as a pejorative and 'new' as a virtue. No matter how vacuuous the new is. We will need all the wisdom that the 'old' can offer us to save the planet. This obsession with the built-in obsolescene of whatever new thing is on the market is no good.
New Labour has no connection to the Labour party. It is a different thing entirely. It is a machine to make money and a new elite. It is a marketing machine instead of a political party based on public service. Politics is NOT marketing. Labour is a collective which makes society fairer. New Labour is closer to Forza Italia than Labour.
Labour is, was and always shall be Labour. It is 100 years old. Its spirit is as young as a new born child.
In the wake of the Education and Inspections Bill vote, there are now 52 Labour MPs left in the House of Commons - those that oppose privatisation.
That makes Labour the third party in the Commons.
This democracy isn't working. Too much money bought it. This is a plutocracy, and it is dying.
http://past.oxfordjournals.org/
There is no such thing as 'Old Labour'. That is the effect of Blair's hijack of the word Labour - it has made a distinction between 'New' and 'Old' that is false. That distinction mirrors our society, which uses the word 'old' as a pejorative and 'new' as a virtue. No matter how vacuuous the new is. We will need all the wisdom that the 'old' can offer us to save the planet. This obsession with the built-in obsolescene of whatever new thing is on the market is no good.
New Labour has no connection to the Labour party. It is a different thing entirely. It is a machine to make money and a new elite. It is a marketing machine instead of a political party based on public service. Politics is NOT marketing. Labour is a collective which makes society fairer. New Labour is closer to Forza Italia than Labour.
Labour is, was and always shall be Labour. It is 100 years old. Its spirit is as young as a new born child.
In the wake of the Education and Inspections Bill vote, there are now 52 Labour MPs left in the House of Commons - those that oppose privatisation.
That makes Labour the third party in the Commons.
This democracy isn't working. Too much money bought it. This is a plutocracy, and it is dying.
Mathew your Liberalism maybe well meaning.But Socialism is about giving power to ordinary people and respecting their democratic wishes.
Including on Crime,Migration and Taxation.
But people like Benn who may claim to be Socialists would never want that.
Instead they believe in a top down approach to decision making,where an educated elite LIBERAL SUPREMACISTS become the New Leadership.
Including on Crime,Migration and Taxation.
But people like Benn who may claim to be Socialists would never want that.
Instead they believe in a top down approach to decision making,where an educated elite LIBERAL SUPREMACISTS become the New Leadership.
neprimerimye
Well-Known Member
tbaldwin said:
The SWP would if they were Muslim and voted for Kitty Galloway.
Before you proceed, you would do well to bear in mind that tbaldwin is a MAN OF THE PEOPLE and therefore, anybody who disagrees with him is a LIBERAL SUPREMICIST and probably votes Tory but only pretends they don't because it makes them look cool.DexterTCN said:
Dhimmi
Half Man Half HobNob
Benn's dossier sounds very credible and probably a better bet than the EDM.
EDMs are more of a parliamentary opinion poll than a route to action aren't they? Last one I remember getting any result was Thatcher's one in 1979, which resulted in an election being called. Don't remember anything similar since...
EDMs are more of a parliamentary opinion poll than a route to action aren't they? Last one I remember getting any result was Thatcher's one in 1979, which resulted in an election being called. Don't remember anything similar since...
MatthewCuffe
New Member
Could we have more details on the 1979 EDM that led to an Election?
EDMs usually go nowhere. There was one recently saying what a jolly wonderful national institution Rupert the Bear is.
However, EDM 1088 is rather different.
Enough hubbub about HN51.
EDM 1088 - a unique measure in unique times, as we say when we use our death penalty without trial on Brazilians.
Habeaus Corpus!
EDMs usually go nowhere. There was one recently saying what a jolly wonderful national institution Rupert the Bear is.
However, EDM 1088 is rather different.
Enough hubbub about HN51.
EDM 1088 - a unique measure in unique times, as we say when we use our death penalty without trial on Brazilians.
Habeaus Corpus!
Are you R.Y. is disguise?tbaldwin said:
If the majority want it then they should vote for partys which promote it.tbaldwin said:
In the meantime we can use open and honest debate to explain our own point of view and also actually try to understand others.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
DexterTCN said:Email sent to Livi MP Jim Devine.
"Dear ****
Thank you for your recent email regarding EDM 1088 lodged by Douglas Hogg MP calling for a select committee to be set up to review the way in which the responsibilities of Government were discharged in relation to Iraq.
Please be assured that I have added my name to this EDM and it should appear shortly...."
DexterTCN said:"Dear ****
Thank you for your recent email regarding EDM 1088 lodged by Douglas Hogg MP calling for a select committee to be set up to review the way in which the responsibilities of Government were discharged in relation to Iraq.
Please be assured that I have added my name to this EDM and it should appear shortly...."
Well, you were luckier than I was. I got a follow-up e-mail from that site today asking me if my MP had responded, and my answer was NO - not even the form letter thing I got when I wrote to Blair in Westminster before. This is the first time I've tried to contact my actual MP, and it was a dismal failure. Hardly surprising though - he couldn't even be bothered to canvass around here before the elections, and he belongs to a crap political party, IMO.
MatthewCuffe
New Member
Tony Benn has now received a reply from the Attorney General.
It denies all 28 charges of the contravention of international law.
This is not acceptable.
It denies all 28 charges of the contravention of international law.
This is not acceptable.
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