Tony Benn's dossier shall not be dodged

[Jon_Xen]

Is your MP's name here?

Here's the page EDM 1088 on the EDM website:

http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875

 

[nino_savatte]

Sadly, I don't expect anything from Greg Hands.

 

[fela fan]

"Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793, but regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty for ever." - Albert Camus

Yeah, i can understand that. I left england many years ago due to the cynicism i'd succumbed to.

And i don't want to return there. So thank you for that contribution, but i'm fighting different causes these days.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/Bennletter.htm

you can add your name here:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/sign.php

Cheers.

 

[ZAMB]

Sadly, I don't expect anything from Greg Hands.

I don't expect anything from my MP either - IMO he's a thug, but I've written to him anyway. I suppose there's a snowballs chance in hell that he might surprise me.

 

[ZAMB]

Originally Posted by X-77
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/Bennletter.htm

you can add your name here:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/sign.php

I can't get these links to work - though it could be my lousy ISP, which is down half the time. NTL are the pits!!

 

[Kaka Tim]

not that it's a bad idea in itself, but, don't you think the police might side with Tony Blair rather than the people, and stand in the way with a lot of riot shields, batons, and whatever else was necessary?

Very likely.

So either the numbers are so great and determinded that Blair caves in.

Or the the state has to use force to hold us back - which no governemnt can withstand for a prolonged period of time without declaring martial law and using lethal force (and even that might not work).

The cops were ready and waiting in Belgrade in 1999 and in Georgia and the Ukraine and they were waiting in trafalger square on march 31st 1990 (poll tax uprising). It did none of the respective rulers any good. We have to face them down.

And again - yes Blair would very likely be succeeded by another shister - but any subsequent leaders would think very hard about decieving the people on such a scale again.

Anyone think of a good date?

Theres always state opening of parliament - but thats not till november and Blair might have stood aside by then, his reputation and intergirty officially intact.

 

[IMHO]

I'm a right-winger, but have MASSIVE respect for Tony Benn. He is a wonderful parliamentarian, has NEVER been self-serving, is honest and transparent, is a great democrat, and has a brilliant intellect. Whilst I may disagree with some of his views, I have to say that, if we had many more of his ilk, this country would be a far greater place.

A thread dedicated to Tony Benn would be great, and I'm being serious.

 

[In Bloom]

Yeah, i can understand that. I left england many years ago due to the cynicism i'd succumbed to.

And i don't want to return there. So thank you for that contribution, but i'm fighting different causes these days.

Eh?

 

[MatthewCuffe]

I am a left-winger with MASSIVE respect for Tony Benn.

However, respect is not limited to one party. I also respect Michael Heseltine MASSIVELY. I do not agree with everything he has said or done by any means. I do respect the fact that this man, who would have made as good a Conservative leader as there has been (of Disraeli calibre), had the courage to resign from Cabinet and go to the backbenches on a matter of principle.

What does this regime do? Do they actually have an ounce of principle left? How can Tessa Jowell not turn up to Cabinet meetings on a potential war with Iran because of her husband's filthy lucre, and then carry on - and be architect of the New Labour London council election campaign? It is so, so cheeky and so, so disgraceful.

And what is the point of a Conservative leader who each day seems to be more and more infected by Blairism? He is even starting to use the same metaphors - accelerating reform and fighting the centre ground and all that piffle. Is he talking to us or to the TV cameras?

Right now I'd love one side to be singing the Red Flag and the other swinging the mace. At least there would be some humour and spirit back in the House of Commons.

 

[DexterTCN]

I have also contacted my MP to ask if he will sign this particular EDM. By the way, there is a very easy way to contact MPs. It is through the website:

http://www.writetothem.com/

You just type in your postcode and the name of your MP is shown and you can e-mail him/her directly.

I have used this website a few times to e-mail my MP.

Email sent to Livi MP Jim Devine.

 

[crimethInc]

Those who participated in the Jarrow crusade and the General Strike - and in so doing helped lay the foundations for the Beveridge Report and the application of the welfare state by the Labour government of 1945-51 - are turning in their graves at the cynicism and lack of spirit amongst the youth in this country today.

That is what eight years of bullying by Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has done to us.

Time to wake up from our zombified slumbers.

"The welfare state reconciles the revolutionary classes to the oppression of capitalism" - Herbert Marcuse

^ respond?

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Probably the subject of another thread. Fancy moving over to the theory department for a chat?

A very, very powerful quotation from Marcuse and I would hate to do it injustice here.

 

[tbaldwin]

Tony Benn is a very rich Liberal. I think there should be a dossier on all the so called Left wing Socialists born with a massive silver spoon in their spoilt mouths.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Tony Benn is a very rich Liberal. I think there should be a dossier on all the so called Left wing Socialists born with a massive silver spoon in their spoilt mouths.

How many can you name you deceived the country into waging an illegal war?

Off to the tower with grinning traitor!

 

[X-77]

Tony Benn is a very rich Liberal. I think there should be a dossier on all the so called Left wing Socialists born with a massive silver spoon in their spoilt mouths.

Really? I think there should be a dossier on all the Tory wankers like Blair who have hijacked the Labour party and turned it into the 'Not at all Labour' party, personally.

 

[ZWord]

Very likely.

So either the numbers are so great and determinded that Blair caves in.

Or the the state has to use force to hold us back - which no governemnt can withstand for a prolonged period of time without declaring martial law and using lethal force (and even that might not work).

The cops were ready and waiting in Belgrade in 1999 and in Georgia and the Ukraine and they were waiting in trafalger square on march 31st 1990 (poll tax uprising). It did none of the respective rulers any good. We have to face them down.

And again - yes Blair would very likely be succeeded by another shister - but any subsequent leaders would think very hard about decieving the people on such a scale again.

Anyone think of a good date?

Theres always state opening of parliament - but thats not till november and Blair might have stood aside by then, his reputation and intergirty officially intact.

Well I wonder. I suppose it might work. But I doubt it. However large the crowd, they can quite easily be surrounded and penned in by riot police two lines thick, who hit anyone who approaches them, and then the day goes on, and everyone starts to need a piss or worse, and they won't let anyone out, and then when the fight's gone out of everyone they start letting people leave one by one, taking everyone's names. But if you were to go armed to try to be able to take on the riot police, then you'd be guilty of escalation, and if deaths resulted, it would be said to be your fault, and of course, anyone armed would also end up charged and imprisoned.

Only way I can see it working is if you persuaded top police to allow it.

 

[TAE]

I suspect that if they do go ahead with military action against Iran, then the protests will not be as fluffy as the Iraq demos.

 

[ZWord]

Well, when the police reversed at speed through a crowd on june 18th 1999 crushing a man's leg, which I saw with my own eyes, I didn't see any good come of it. Protests can be fluffy, or violent, they still won't achieve much, I reckon.

 

[TAE]

If a few thousand people joined the ongoing protest at parliament square and simply refused to go home ... that might be a start.

 

[friedaweed]

Christine Russel badgered

 

[tbaldwin]

Really? I think there should be a dossier on all the Tory wankers like Blair who have hijacked the Labour party and turned it into the 'Not at all Labour' party, personally.

Benn and Blair both come from privelleged backgrounds. But at least Blair wanted a Labour party that won elections....Benn's politics have always been well meaning (unlike a lot of other famous lefties) but he really does not have a clue about what most people want. Blair does and that is why he has won 3 elections in a row.

 

[ZAMB]

Benn and Blair both come from privelleged backgrounds. But at least Blair wanted a Labour party that won elections....Benn's politics have always been well meaning (unlike a lot of other famous lefties) but he really does not have a clue about what most people want. Blair does and that is why he has won 3 elections in a row.

Maybe he wins elections, but it's not really the Labour party any more - they're ultra-conservatives in red ties.

 

[nino_savatte]

Benn and Blair both come from privelleged backgrounds. But at least Blair wanted a Labour party that won elections....Benn's politics have always been well meaning (unlike a lot of other famous lefties) but he really does not have a clue about what most people want. Blair does and that is why he has won 3 elections in a row.

No, Blair is a populist who plays to the gallery. He has no clue when it comes to real policies and as far as intellect is concerned, it is noticeably absent - both in him and the majority of his 'cabinet'.

Blair is a lightweight who keeps company with fascists and neo con belligerants.

 

[X-77]

Benn and Blair both come from privelleged backgrounds. But at least Blair wanted a Labour party that won elections....Benn's politics have always been well meaning (unlike a lot of other famous lefties) but he really does not have a clue about what most people want. Blair does and that is why he has won 3 elections in a row.

so Benn should have sold his politics down the river just for the sake of winning an election? Right. Well I guess that's the difference between the two Tonys - one has principles and the other is an unprincipled tosser. God knows why you have a bee in your bonnet about Benn's privileged background - at least he has spent his life promoting the ideals of socialism whereas Blair doesn't have a socialist bone in his entire body - never has and never will.

What exactly makes Blair any different from a Tory in your eyes?

 

[tbaldwin]

so Benn should have sold his politics down the river just for the sake of winning an election? Right. Well I guess that's the difference between the two Tonys - one has principles and the other is an unprincipled tosser. God knows why you have a bee in your bonnet about Benn's privileged background - at least he has spent his life promoting the ideals of socialism whereas Blair doesn't have a socialist bone in his entire body - never has and never will.

What exactly makes Blair any different from a Tory in your eyes?

I dont believe that Benn has ever been a Socialist. He has always been a Liberal.
People like him would hate to see the working class in control. He would never want to see them in charge of Law and Order or Migration.
He lives in a £4m house in Holland Park avenue,if you really believe someone like him is a Socialist then it just shows how guillible you are.

Benn has very little understanding of ordinary people in this country.
Its interesting to know how many 80s Bennites became Blairites. They must have woken up to the fact that Socialism without Popular support is a non starter.

In Power Blair has led to a Minimum wage,Tax credits,Minimum Income guarantee. A MASSIVE INCREASE IN SPENDING ON HEALTH AND EDUCATION>
The Educational Maintenance Allowance etc etc
and Benn well he sent in troops to break a strike...

 

[TAE]

What has Blair done with almost 10 years of NewLabour's absolute majority?

The minimum wage is the only really good thing I can think of.

But what has he actually achieved? Sure there was lots of activity, lots of allocating of money to this initiative and that initiative, but what has it bought us?

In the mean time there is a funding crisis in more areas than I can list here, ongoing privatisation which does not seem to be benefitting the country, we've invaded two countries, have had almost fascist policing laws introduced, and parliamentry democracy is in a deepening crisis. Well thank you very much.

 

[tbaldwin]

What has Blair done with almost 10 years of NewLabour's absolute majority?

The minimum wage is the only really good thing I can think of.

But what has he actually achieved? Sure there was lots of activity, lots of allocating of money to this initiative and that initiative, but what has it bought us?

In the mean time there is a funding crisis in more areas than I can list here, ongoing privatisation which does not seem to be benefitting the country, we've invaded two countries, have had almost fascist policing laws introduced, and parliamentry democracy is in a deepening crisis. Well thank you very much.

As ive said a MASSIVE INCREASE IN SPENDING ON HEALTH AND EDUCATION.
The Minimum wage, the Minimum Income Guarantee,EMA,
He has been the only Labour PM to reform the House of Lords ( though admittedly far from being good enough)
What has Tony Benn ever achieved?????????????

New Labours 10 years has seen steadily rising incomes and no recessions.

 

[TAE]

I noted the minimum wage ... as for the 'MASSIVE' extra spending, my question was what it has actually bought us.

 

[tbaldwin]

I noted the minimum wage ... as for the 'MASSIVE' extra spending, my question was what it has actually bought us.

Extra Nurses and Doctors more saved lives,more teachers. If you want to know more go to the LP website and click on your area to find out what difference Labour has made.