Tony Benn: EU Treaty is theft of British rights

[CyberRose]

Like the old Labour trick you mean?

Erm no it only works when there is no chance of you winning an election! (Labour fucked up on that particular issue, but lets face it, as you would agree I'm sure, neither of the major parties would actually hold a referendum on a policy they wanted to pursue which they know will be defeated by a referendum - that's not me saying that's right, it's just common sense political observation)

The need for extra housing is down to several reasons, the main one being a lot more people are migrating to this country than are leaving for other countries

How many people enter the country each year to live, compared with the amount of people that leave the country to live?

I can't think of anything that is dealt with competently at EU level that would not be dealt with better at national level with international co-operation, and anything you can come up with definitely isn't worth the price. I do hope you are not going to cite climate issues.

Please name one then and tell me how it is better dealt with at "national level with international cooperation". You've named one, the environment. So tell me how the environment would be dealt with more effectively by "international cooperation" rather than legally binding supranational cooperation?

 

[CyberRose]

No Parliament may bind its successors

The Law Society, which I would have thought has a greater understanding of the law then either you or me, has the following to say:

European Community law has a higher legal status than domestic law. This means that the UK Parliament - and the parliaments of other EU member states - cannot make decisions that undermine agreements made at a European level. Although this appears to undermine parliamentary sovereignty, Parliament retains the right to repeal the 1972 Act which made the UK a member of the EU and therefore to leave the jurisdiction of the EU.
http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/influencinglaw/europeanlaw.law

So can we stop these silly accusations that the UK national government is not free to tear up their agreement with the EU?

 

[gosub]

Thje page linked to mentions :

"European law comes in a variety of forms:


Treaties: These are high level agreements between EU member states. They set out 'constitutional' developments, covering the broad rules governing the functioning of institutions, their competencies and the decision-making process. The key EU treaties in the development of the EU include: The Treaty of Rome (1958), the Single European Act (1986), the Treaty of Maastricht (1991), the Treaty of Amsterdam (1997) and the Treaty of Nice (2000). An intergovernmental conference is due to be completed by the end of 2007 to agree a new 'Reform Treaty' amending the existing treaties. This follows on from the unsuccessful French and Dutch referendums on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe. "

So will need updating should the Treaty of Lisbon be ratified.

FCO's page on changes to exit procedure Article 50

 

[CyberRose]

Thje page linked to mentions :

Your link doesn't work. Either way, the Law Society is suggesting that UK Governments have the right to repeal any previous Acts of Parliament, therefore the text of the new Treaty would seem irrelevent. Now I may be wrong, but I would have thought the Law Society knows what it was talking about when it comes to the law. If a UK Government wanted to unilaterally declare itself out of the EU, I fail to see how anything could stop them, otherwise, what is the point of UKIP?

 

[gosub]

The Law society is the situation as it currently stands, we raitify a treaty which specifically mentions exit that will override it. That link is on the you prevoiusly linked to. We have been over this before see documentation for New treaty Released post 39 so am confused by your surprize on this issue.


FCO page on article 50

 

[CyberRose]

Thew Law society is the situation as it currently stands, we raitify a treaty which specifically mentions exit that will override it. That link is on the you prevoiusly linked to. We have been over this before see documentation for New treaty Released post 39 so am confused by your surprize on this issue.

You're still making a pig's ear out of your links!

And I had not seen the Law Society's comments before I had written that

 

[CyberRose]

surprize

I knew it! Your hostility towards the EU is because you want us to be in the American Empire instead!

 

[nosos]

I agree with Benn that this is destruction of our sovereignty. Thought it would be of interest to hear his views on this:

Globalisation is destroying our national autonomy. By pooling sovereignity with other nations we can regain it. Britain alone can't determine it's economic agenda. The EU can. As far as I can see it's the least worst option.

 

[gosub]

Cyberrose: Maybe, but if anybody read the surrounding arguement by me, will see that I was aware. Agree links are having trouble. Page can be reached by googling "treaty of lisbon exit procedures" second link (an fco page Amended EU treaties -see for yourself..) is bottom of the page.

"I knew it! Your hostility towards the EU is because you want us to be in the American Empire instead!" That is actually funnier than you know. Though I can't see us leaving NATO.

Am not liking this upgrade

 

[CyberRose]

Cyberrose: Maybe, but if anybody read the surrounding arguement by me, will see that I was aware. Agree links are having trouble. Page can be reached by googling "treaty of lisbon exit procedures" second link (an fco page Amended EU treaties -see for yourself..) is bottom of the page.

Just click on quote, then see what I've typed in here to make this link, then use that template to make your own links!

"I knew it! Your hostility towards the EU is because you want us to be in the American Empire instead!" That is actually funnier than you know. Though I can't see us leaving NATO.

Am not liking this upgrade

Do you think we should leave NATO? Do you think we need any kind of cooperation in defence issues (or should that be defense issues?! )

 

[gosub]

That FCO page again http//www.fco.gov.uk/Files/kfile/FCO_BEU_AmTreaties_TEU.html#o


Geostrategically EUrope and US moving apart ups the chances of accidental armageddon quite considerably, but then I read books like State of Denial and wonder with allies like this...

Whilst Robin Cook's resignation was nobel, the ISSUES Claire Short resigned over should have been scrutinized at the time rather than letting Labour smearmongers make it a "she's no Robin Cook" type thing.