Post office closures
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RIPA
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Annihilation of the welfare state (faster than Thatcher ever did it)
Tolerance - what's THAT all about?
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Post office closures
Proposed ID cards
RIPA
Record PFI schemes
Annihilation of the welfare state (faster than Thatcher ever did it)
Its true that the Tory policies of 79 are the Labour policies of 08. Therefore arguing with a Labour supporter now is no different to arguing with a Tory in 82. I could spend all my life arguing with people about politics or just let them get on with believing they are right. I tend to argue politics when I feel it would be mutually beneficial to both of us or because it is better than working/talking soaps that I never watch.
I refuse to get involved in shouting matches or personal insults even if I do think the person I am disagreing with is an ignorant bigot. Yes I guess I have become incredibly over tolerant but I find right wing bigots at times much more refreshing to talk with than the braindead media addicts and disinterested majority, at least they have a view which they have somehow in their warped and twisted ways thought through and will often be only too willing to discuss.
I refuse to get involved in shouting matches or personal insults even if I do think the person I am disagreing with is an ignorant bigot. Yes I guess I have become incredibly over tolerant but I find right wing bigots at times much more refreshing to talk with than the braindead media addicts and disinterested majority, at least they have a view which they have somehow in their warped and twisted ways thought through and will often be only too willing to discuss.
Das Uberdog
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SteBoo said:
Not entirely true; 'liberal democracy' inevitably cedes into totalitarianism though. Hence original, classical Liberals distaste for 'democracy'. How can the rights of the individual be maintained in a political system designed around the idea of mass legitimation, where Tories can manipulate the crowds with horror stories about the wicked future and national myths about our (utopian) folkish past? There's no room for freedom under the tyranny of the majority.
Yet, simultaneously, liberal ideas (and ideals) naturally progress towards liberal democracy! Oh what an internal contradiction this formula presents...
Evidently, it all points to the philosophical failings of a capitalist system - where illusory 'rights' are necessary to keep the system in check and simultaneously provide "free" individuals who can participate in the market... those rights, of course, being limited by assumptions of the sanctity of private property and the right to own capital. In reality, of course, 'democracy' is piss all to do with voting rights and is everything to do with political agency. A true democracy is one in which the population at large are possessed of relatively equal political power and actual ability as opposed to fantastical 'rights'.
I've always thought that lefties should adopt the slogan 'Might is Right' ;P
Sorry but i dont remember the Tories doubling spending on Health and Education or bringing in the minimum wage, the minimum income guarantee, the educational maintenance allowance, repealing anti gay laws etc etc
I see you very much as a Visionary Das....
Now I am a Tory and quite happy to discuss politics with people from all shades of the political spectrum but, and I am sure that many of you on here are all fine physical specimens who could quite happily kung fu an entire Conservative party conference but, in my experience, those I know of a left wing persuasion dont really seem that keen on really getting down to scraping on the cobbles when push comes to shove.
Outside of the obvious daftos are both ends of the left/right extreme it does seem a bit childish to settle political differences with fisticuffs. And people claiming that they will stamp out tory vermin, well somehow I dont think you will.
Outside of the obvious daftos are both ends of the left/right extreme it does seem a bit childish to settle political differences with fisticuffs. And people claiming that they will stamp out tory vermin, well somehow I dont think you will.
At what point should tolerance stop. Some vegetarians I have come across refused to work with meat eaters on anti hunt/vivisection campaigns and were completely hostile to them, then Supporters of direct action were antagonistic to the level of becoming very personal towards those who didnt support illegal activitiy and vice versa. Now clearly if you see a racist attack or likewise it would be easy to say you "Should" intervene (not what necessarily happens according to recent surveys) but should we all become intolerant of everyone we disagree with or just those who actively oppose us or those who passivelty accept. I don't know the answer I tend to just go with my conscience at the time.
Have you not heard Cameron recently?
They been rose tinting the dark lady's history for months and months now, pretending that it really wasn't that bad and we all made a big deal out of nothing when it happened but really looking back...and ignoring 99% of the shit she did....you can see the good things.
Now that intolerable arsehole Cameron is saying he will do to the Social State what Thatcher did for the British Economy....so he is going to boom bust the entire system, then sell it off for a fraction of the price to a few businessmen who will make sickening amounts of profit while more and more people slip into poverty.
How is that a good plan?
They only doubled the NHS spending so they could waste it on PFI schemes to please potential donors
Is that the only good things you can think of in 11 years? Then point proved. They ARE as bad as the Tories
With the exeption of neo facists and hard core biggots I can tolerate just about any opinion. It has to work both ways though, the amount of times ive been laughed at and even recieved personal abuse for trying to put across my point is almost embaresing. But I'm not intersted in converting/recruting anybody to anything.
The problems start when a group of people are so convinced that they are right and their way is the only way that they can neither understand or justify any other point of view. A tendency i've witnessed in people from all political (and religious) back grounds.
The problems start when a group of people are so convinced that they are right and their way is the only way that they can neither understand or justify any other point of view. A tendency i've witnessed in people from all political (and religious) back grounds.
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Might I add even I managed to go to university under a tory government, get my fees paid and not be £stupid amount in debt.
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