Timelessness and the block universe

[cliche guevara]

but this time interval itself exists timelessly in the block universe

Yes, there is theoretically a physical place corresponding to each moment of time. What is your point?

 

[cesare]

you know the strange ones.

I thought that was a sort of cheese

cheese is impossible

 

[fractionMan]

cheese made out of soya is impossible imo

 

[Dillinger4]

Cheese is not an experiance

 

[snadge]

I thought that was a sort of cheese

cheese is impossible

impossible is experience.

 

[cesare]

why? what does 'timeful' mean?

The universe is full of time - timeful - it is immutable and the outcome is pre-determined

The universe has no time - timeless - we do not have time

 

[max_freakout]

cheese comes from cows (timelessly)

 

[Dillinger4]

Cows are not experiance

 

[max_freakout]

Yes, there is theoretically a physical place corresponding to each moment of time. What is your point?

it follows from timelessness that there is no 'end' of a discussion

(because having an 'end' means being in time)

 

[Dillinger4]

Discussion is nothing

 

[Yetman]

I’ve pondered on time travel before, and thought that if the only actual time we are living (and in fact, everything exists) is now, then if we were to travel back in time then we’d come back to a mere snapshot of that particular moment. If we were able to walk around in it then anything we touched would be made OUT OF DARK MATTER I’VE FUCKING CLOCKED IT JUST NOW!!! That’s what all the dark matter is, past snapshots of current matter held forever in old space-time.

Yetstein solves another. Hadron Collider? Turn it off. Have a cup of tea or something and go and do the garden. I’ve sorted it all out. No probs.

 

[cesare]

impossible is experience.

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter

 

[cesare]

it follows from timelessness that there is no 'end' of a discussion

(because having an 'end' means being in time)

But you're saying that there is an end, and that's pre-determined.

 

[Dillinger4]

Transcendence is not impossible when you battle with the gods

 

[cliche guevara]

it follows from timelessness that there is no 'end' of a discussion

(because having an 'end' means being in time)

Just because at some point the discussion can be perceived as active, doesn't mean that it doesn't have an end. Perhaps from that perspective it would appear that way, but you never were one for a limited perspective.

 

[Dillinger4]

Dark Matter is like a family album

 

[cliche guevara]

Dark Matter is like a family album

Family album is zen. Lay down at the altar of Time.

 

[Crispy]

Dark Matter is like a family album

embaressing

 

[cesare]

I’ve pondered on time travel before, and thought that if the only actual time we are living (and in fact, everything exists) is now, then if we were to travel back in time then we’d come back to a mere snapshot of that particular moment. If we were able to walk around in it then anything we touched would be made OUT OF DARK MATTER I’VE FUCKING CLOCKED IT JUST NOW!!! That’s what all the dark matter is, past snapshots of current matter held forever in old space-time.

Yetstein solves another. Hadron Collider? Turn it off. Have a cup of tea or something and go and do the garden. I’ve sorted it all out. No probs.

Yeah ... but how do you prevent going back to a snapshot of a parallel time in a parallel universe, eh? Eh?

Not so fucking clever now, are you. We'd all get lost in a multiverse of many-histories if you had your fucking way. Bloody students.

 

[Fruitloop]

 

[max_freakout]

But you're saying that there is an end, and that's pre-determined.

saying 'pre' determined involves a sequence of time

but this is a model of timelessness


events are not determined by previous events, but rather all events are determined 'from above'

so there is no beginning or end

 

[Aldebaran]

I often go back in time. There is nothing to it. It is all stored in your memory.

salaam.

 

[cesare]

saying 'pre' determined involves a sequence of time

but this is a model of timelessness


events are not determined by previous events, but rather all events are determined 'from above'

so there is no beginning or end

Fucks up your Big Bang thread then dunnit.

 

[max_freakout]

I’ve pondered on time travel before, and thought that if the only actual time we are living (and in fact, everything exists) is now, then if we were to travel back in time then we’d come back to a mere snapshot of that particular moment. If we were able to walk around in it then anything we touched would be made OUT OF DARK MATTER I’VE FUCKING CLOCKED IT JUST NOW!!! That’s what all the dark matter is, past snapshots of current matter held forever in old space-time.

Yetstein solves another. Hadron Collider? Turn it off. Have a cup of tea or something and go and do the garden. I’ve sorted it all out. No probs.

beautiful


you had a zen moment

"a ha!!!"

 

[Dillinger4]

Does that sound a little bit like Leibniz and his monads? It does to me.

 

[cesare]

beautiful


you had a zen moment

"a ha!!!"

*reboots max's piss-take detector*

 

[Dillinger4]

Piss taking is an experience.

 

[max_freakout]

I often go back in time. There is nothing to it. It is all stored in your memory.

salaam.

but memories very much lack the vividness of the present

is there any way to make memories more vivid?


we live in the present just because we have such bad memories

 

[cesare]

Piss taking is an experience.

Piss-taking is an impossibility.

 

[snadge]

but memories very much lack the vividness of the present

is there any way to make memories more vivid?


we live in the present just because we have such bad memories

memories are zen