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Time to throw off the masks??

I like the anonymity of the internet.

It allows discussion that would otherwise be inhibited by the possible monitoring of employers and others - eg, party bosses, plod, spooks etc.

What's more, there are also some (few) thoroughly nasty pieces of work around here, it seems to me. It's possible that they (or more likely one or two of them) are dangerous. I wouldn't like them to be able easily to find me or whoever else may have offended them. Stupid threats and abuse on a message board don't bother me much. If the twits who like dishing out the verbal stuff could also dish out violence, I'd be more bothered. Why help them?

it is hard to disagree with this! :D
 
Openess is fine, up to a point. But I'd rather not have an employer or prospective employer type my name into google and have the sort of stuff I post on here come up among the results, especially not in my current (fairly precarious) work situation. Of course, if you're politically active in any meaningful way, your employer is probably going to find out eventually, but why make it easy for them?

Anyway, durutti02, if you feel so strongly about it, you go first :p

but why would you post anything on here that is differrent ot an article you might pen or an opinion you might voice in a meeting or a letter you might write to the local rag?

p.s. i was hoping we would all hold hands and jump in together! :D
 
I think that the two Green Party candidates/activists I know about post under their own names (kind of) and that this adds more interest to their posts on u75.

Shane C (Lambeth GP)
Matt S (formerly Oxford GP)

There was also 'the commander' (paddick) with his comments, and 'Rachel North' - not full names but not fully anonymous either.

I think it adds more political weight to someone's posts if they use an identifable name or have a clear link to a group or party, because then people can immediately connect what is being posted with a group, candidate, campaign or whatever, without the underlying doubt of whether this person really is genuine or not.

I am not saying it should be compulsory, obviously it is up to the individual, but there is something to be said for 'standing up in public and being counted', it definitely takes more guts and brings with it downsides re. privacy and being attacked verbally etc. by people who can themselves remain anonymous.

If you think about it though, surely a central part of being involved in real life politics is that you *are* identifiable and you *do* have to live with the consequences of what you are standing up for. How much political impact can you really have anonymously?

spot on

.. er .. Mr/s Float? :D
 
hi mods if any reading .. whats the chance the rules and regs could be changed to allow two log ons from one IP address .. one with a identifying name and one without? or that a blind eye could be turned to that, for the reason that the log ons are not to troll etc
 
spot on

.. er .. Mr/s Float? :D
I know I am anonymous, but I am not involved with any political group or campaign at the moment - I don't really have "a flag to fly" as it were. There is room for both (anon and named) online, depending on what someone wants to achieve by posting, and their own personal situation.
 
but why would you post anything on here that is differrent ot an article you might pen or an opinion you might voice in a meeting or a letter you might write to the local rag?

p.s. i was hoping we would all hold hands and jump in together! :D
I don't sign articles with my real name, I don't need that kind of individual publicity. I've never felt the need to write to a local rag about anything, though again, if I were going to, I'd probably use a fake surname. As for meetings, I tend to go on the assumption that nobody in a political meeting is likely to run off to my employer and tell them what I've said, that way madness lies ;)

Basically, I'm not a council candidate or any other kind of politician, and I never will be. People only need to know my real name if I'm speaking to them face to face.
 
hi mods if any reading .. whats the chance the rules and regs could be changed to allow two log ons from one IP address .. one with a identifying name and one without? or that a blind eye could be turned to that, for the reason that the log ons are not to troll etc

None, I'm afraid, without a really really really good reason.
 
On a more general note, there's a big difference between pseudonymity and anonymity. It is an important point when it comes to data security.

If I post with a consistent name that is a pseudonym. We try to maintain that on Urban - you may not be able to track somebody down outside of the board without it, but an individual's posts are consistently under the same name. There are usually hidden details which are trusted to confirm this but not made public - IP addresses, passwords, email addresses, that sort of thing.

Anonymity means that there is no identifiable connection between posts apart from the content of the posts themselves; there are no other details that can be used to say whether one post was made by the same person as another.

If I anonymise a set of records, I destroy all possible personally-identifiable details about them. If I pseudonymise them, I encode the personally-identifiable data in such a way that they are consistent when the same, but you cannot obtain the original data from them.
 
I don't sign articles with my real name, I don't need that kind of individual publicity. I've never felt the need to write to a local rag about anything, though again, if I were going to, I'd probably use a fake surname. As for meetings, I tend to go on the assumption that nobody in a political meeting is likely to run off to my employer and tell them what I've said, that way madness lies ;)

Basically, I'm not a council candidate or any other kind of politician, and I never will be. People only need to know my real name if I'm speaking to them face to face.
is it not time to step up to the plate though mate?
 
is it not time to step up to the plate though mate?
On what? I don't see standing for council elections as particularly useful, in fact, I see it as actively counterproductive and a distraction from the real work of organising effectively within local communities. Why would anybody need to know my name, other than as something to call me face to face?
 
Given how things are going at the moment, and the amount of surveillance now in place, I'd say it's time to put them back on.
 
On what? I don't see standing for council elections as particularly useful, in fact, I see it as actively counterproductive and a distraction from the real work of organising effectively within local communities. Why would anybody need to know my name, other than as something to call me face to face?
ok forget elections but how else can you organise if you are not well known with your real name?
 
ok forget elections but how else can you organise if you are not well known with your real name?
Obviously, if I'm trying to organise something with somebody, I will tell them my real name, but I don't see why people who've never met me and have nothing to do with me would need to know my name.
 
this is aimed at people involved in politics who post on the uk politics forums

ok pretty well everyone on here posts using a pseudonym. why? i think it would be better if we all junked these and started posting using our real names .. it is more real .. we would have to think harder maybe about what we say .. we would be less abusive maybe .. etc and if people want to talk about things they should not talk about they are stupid to do it on here anyway .. comments please ?

maybe. The problem is some people work in jobs where the often drunken etc exchanges on urban might jeopardise people's employment.
 
No, as this forum allows what i think are in some cases prominent members of various organisations writing under a psedunonym to express ideas (however heretical to their own organisation) share information and to try to build some sort of unity.
 
Oh for gods sake nobody apart from reg at m.15 cares what the swp say about anything and he is part time
 
Oh for gods sake nobody apart from reg at m.15 cares what the swp say about anything and he is part time

The Social Workers' management team care, at least sometimes. They bully and expel people who don't toe the line.


(Reg at MI5 is undergoing retraining to keep tabs on Islamists, but it's not easy for him, poor old chap. He has enough difficulty with Trot dialect. He can't make head or tail of Islamoshite, even when most of it is in a form of English.)
 
I've elaborated. And it's not a thread about the politics of the United Kingdom, is it? It's a thread about Urban.

:D:D this is the funnest thing i have seen all day :D:D try telling some of the posters on here that fridgemagnet ahahahahahahahahahaha sorry duruti2 but come on ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha oh god can i sit on the car bumper sticker commitee hahahahahha ' im following the revolution' hahahaha 'my other cars on standby with fertliser' :D sorry duruti2 you mean well but come on you have to see the funny side throw of our masks !!!!ahahahahahaha this is not that wicthes convention from rald dal hahahahahaha
 
No, as this forum allows what i think are in some cases prominent members of various organisations writing under a psedunonym to express ideas (however heretical to their own organisation) share information and to try to build some sort of unity.

it gets better:D:D:D:D oh stop it pleez
 
I thought they kept reg on part time just to cover themselves theres always the remote chance some trot will do a copeland 2 days pay and tea and bicces pretty cheap insurance for the spooks
 
I would have thought that was part of the fun of it all, trying to guess who the posters are.
Even not being that much around the Libertarian Left for a while, I think I can guess about 70% of posters.
 
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