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PacificOcean said:
But why are the Goverment chosing the Border region as the first to switch off? It's very rural, their demographic are largely those over 65 and conservative (those most likely not to take up digital) It's very hilly for analouge reception and hardly anywhere will be cabled.

IME, Sky uptake in the Borders is very good - there tends to be little else to do in the evenings & fairly recently, the boomtimes in Edinburgh have made it a major growth area for commuters in their 30's & 40's. A lot of new residences are in planning or building just now.

The topography may also have been chosen as some form of test of the methods of resolving technical problems they will face in more remote areas.
 
redsquirrel said:
Bet you anything that it doesn't reach 60% of TV's tho.
I agree with Kea it's an utterly shit idea.

What, keeping ALL the analog spectrum open for TV for the sake of (by the time the switch off happens) about 15-20% of the population?

Nah...digital penetration was already over 50% before this announcement. The public - or at least the majority of it - have already voted to receive digital in some shape or form.
 
chio said:
Also, on the day that your analogue signal is switched off from whatever transmitter you get it from now, a Freeview digital signal will appear in its place. That's why they're doing this whole thing in the first place.

You can see what's going to happen by entering your postcode in this website: http://www.ukfree.tv/transmitters.php

:)
Cheers, interesting site that :)

It is likely that the TV aerial on your house points 15km east toward the transmitter at Craigkelly, if so you should be able receive Freeview but you may need a new (type K/W positioned horizontally) roof-top TV aerial.

It could also point 34km southwest toward the transmitter at Black Hill, if so you should be able receive Freeview but you may need a new (type E/W positioned horizontally) roof-top TV aerial

I have eventually managed to get all the Freeview channels, but only by getting a 1.5 metre long standard external TV aerial, which sits INSIDE my flat balanced on top of my two speakers and THEN runs through an old analogue booster (It must, just, be able to amplify the weakest channels enough for the Freeview box to 'lock on' although it's not really supposed to be able to boost them at all).

As I live in a 4th floor flat, getting an aerial hooked up outside is a major (and expensive) pain in the arse ... Maybe someday I'll get it done...
 
Its a bloody rip off! :mad:
I already object to paying over £100 each year for a licence that allows me to watch a load of bollocks on TV.
I deliberately chose not to subscribe to various companies because I object to paying even more out for even more crap TV!
Where's my choice now eh?
 
RaverDrew said:
It's absolutely shite

I live less than a mile away from the crystal palace transmitter and have direct unobscured line of sight.

Even with the most expensive rooftop aerial fitted properly by engineer I still get fuck all.

I've tried various different set-top boxes, pc tuner cards and even an integrated telly and still nowt but the occasional bit of hiccuppy sound on certain channels.

It's the same with the neighbours I haver checked with as well.

What the fuck do they expect us to do when they switch the analogue (which for years has had faultless reception btw, even on five) off ???

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Could it be, perversely, that the signal you are receiving is too strong?

Or does the CP transmitter not transmit digital at all?
 
Originally Posted by RaverDrew
It's absolutely shite

I live less than a mile away from the crystal palace transmitter and have direct unobscured line of sight.

Even with the most expensive rooftop aerial fitted properly by engineer I still get fuck all.



There's a common phenomena with RF transmission called the umbrella effect.
Basically if you live too close to a transmitter you may not receive any signal.
The antenna tilts are probably designed to give maximum range. Most antennas allow for some form of adjustment, but the downside of providing coverage in the immediate vicinity (for the broadcaster) of a transmitter would be reduced range. Sometimes this is unintentional after antenna upgrades.....is there anybody you could complain to.It may be the planners for the CP transmitter have made a mistake, and would be grateful for the feedback.
 
G. Fieendish said:
Re Teejay's comment
According to reports, that's dead in the water, as most of the channels on said package are "free to air" (FTA) anyway, can be picked up by non Sky branded recievers...
I don't understand why this would make any difference. The 'free' Sky thing is "free to air" - it just covers the normal Freeview channels - the £150 just covers the equipment and installation. I was under the impression that it was a government subsidised thing designed to give coverage to areas that had a poor or no signal - by using satellite. Ifr you want to get an extra Sky stuff you have to pay a subscription on top as you would do for any other Sky service. By 'non Sky branded recievers' do you just mean set top boxes? AFAIK these all rely on aerials and there are some areas (eg rural/hilly) which can't get reception - but which can get a satellite signal. These people would therefore use the Sky service rather than a set top box, but they would be getting exactly the same Freeview channels, as I understand it.

I don't have this service so I might be wrong. Anyone got more info?
 
zed66 said:
There's a common phenomena with RF transmission called the umbrella effect.
Basically if you live too close to a transmitter you may not receive any signal.
The antenna tilts are probably designed to give maximum range. Most antennas allow for some form of adjustment, but the downside of providing coverage in the immediate vicinity (for the broadcaster) of a transmitter would be reduced range.
You would think his aerial installers would know this, rather than fleecing him.

Bastards :mad:
 
Driving past the Emley Moor transmitter in Yorkshire, one notices that the aerials on nearby houses are tilted upwards. (Velouria: Crystal Palace does transmit digital)
 
JGWacky said:
Its a bloody rip off! :mad:
I already object to paying over £100 each year for a licence that allows me to watch a load of bollocks on TV.
I deliberately chose not to subscribe to various companies because I object to paying even more out for even more crap TV!
Where's my choice now eh?

But this just isn't true. After switchover, you will not be compelled to subscribe to any pay-TV provider. You'll be able to choose between Freeview, through your aerial (for which the boxes are now down to £30), or free-to-view satellite through a dish. Freeview coverage will have been vastly improved to almost match the current analogue coverage. The only change for most people will be the addition of a set-top box on their TV - and a greater choice of channels including BBC4 and E4.
 
I'm all for it.

Esp being able to record programmes by pre-selecting from a downloaded tv listing, whislt watching wotever else I want, all on the same piece of kit.

Fun times ahead!
 
freeview's pretty ropey where i live, the signal bounces off the taller buildings and hills, and sometimes channels just disappear. it's better than analogue tho - as some git in one of the other flats turns on his playstation or dvd the telly goes all wrong, with floating computer images going across the screen. either way it's all academic now - my telly's not working and i can't be arsed to sort it out.
 
kyser_soze said:
What, keeping ALL the analog spectrum open for TV for the sake of (by the time the switch off happens) about 15-20% of the population?

Nah...digital penetration was already over 50% before this announcement. The public - or at least the majority of it - have already voted to receive digital in some shape or form.
That's different to voting for analog to be turned off.
 
i think it's inevitable, and for most people will be better. I installed my box a few days ago, and after retuning about five times got all the channels i wanted - 23 i think but first time only got six! wierd. so it maybe worth people perservering as i was about to return the box to the shop......
 
chio said:
But this just isn't true. After switchover, you will not be compelled to subscribe to any pay-TV provider. You'll be able to choose between Freeview, through your aerial (for which the boxes are now down to £30), or free-to-view satellite through a dish. Freeview coverage will have been vastly improved to almost match the current analogue coverage. The only change for most people will be the addition of a set-top box on their TV - and a greater choice of channels including BBC4 and E4.
The biggest costs isn't the set top box - its possibly having to fit a new aerial. Getting one for where I lived cost me £218.47 for parts and labour, and I live in Surrey - not some remote rural area.
 
TeeJay said:
The biggest costs isn't the set top box - its possibly having to fit a new aerial. Getting one for where I lived cost me £218.47 for parts and labour, and I live in Surrey - not some remote rural area.


I think the only reason I can get Freeview, (The BBC insists I can't at my postcode) is because the last time we bought a new TV we had a high gain aerial fitted, (and that was over £80 a fair few years ago)
 
redsquirrel said:
That's different to voting for analog to be turned off.

What, so this should have been some kind of referendum?

It's worth bearing in mind that no one 'voted' to switch from analog to digital mobile phones either, nor are any of the 150,000 people a day who are switvhing to VoIP services - what happens in 5 or 10 years when BT and the traditional fixed line providers have to turn round to their goverments and say 'We can no longer maintain the fixedline infrastructure and stay in business?' and those who haven't switched to VoIP or mobile are left without phones? At that point are you going to say that people haven't voted to cut out the fixed line networks?

For my money preparing for the switch to internet telephony impacts on a far more vital social service than TV and could have far greater consequences for the 'digital gap' that is already starting to emerge between those with access to digital services (be that iTV, VoIP, digital mobile or broadband internet) and those without.

Anyway, back to TV...There isn't anything that says you have to buy a digibox for the next 7 years tops, well within the replacement window of most TVs, by 2012 some broadcasters project that almost half of all broasdcasts will be HD which can't be broadcast on the analog signal - certainly for the commercial broadcasters their most profitable audiences will all be HD households meaning there is little or no incentive for them to continue to broadcast non-HD progs (I'm not too sure about the additional costs of producing in HD/no-ND - any TV people out there got an idea on that one).

Which also leaves public service broadcasters like the BBC in a Catch-22 - caught between a public service remit that obliges them to broadcast to as many as possible and an enforced funding system that those most able to complain about getting 'good value' ever being heard when it comes to it's funding? Should the government cripple the BBC by insisting that it continues to broadcast to the lowest level of technology?

As Chio points out, TV will still be FTA so should you want to the only fee you'll have to continue to pay will be the licence charge, which will also (it appears) be used to subsidise C4s public service programmng obligations as well. C4 is in an even worse position than the BBC - it's a trust, has a much harsher PS remit than ITV (which now just about covers news and religious programming and that's it) AND has to compete against ITV, C5 (now in the comfortable pockets of BMG) and Sky for advertiser money in order to fund it's programmes. But other than that you wont have to pay anything aside from a box upgrade if you haven't changed your TV in the previous 7 years.

Its a bloody rip off!
I already object to paying over £100 each year for a licence that allows me to watch a load of bollocks on TV.
I deliberately chose not to subscribe to various companies because I object to paying even more out for even more crap TV!
Where's my choice now eh?

1. You don't pay £100 for just TV programming. Try having a look at what the BBC actually DOES before whining about it

2. You don't have to subscribe to anyone else.

3. Where's your choice? Stop watching 'a load of bollocks' on TV and go and buy a book, go to a gallery or the theatre, listen to the radio. Maybe go to the gym or attend an evening class to improve you mind or develop your skills at a hobby that interests you. 'Where's my choice?' - probably the same place you left your imagination.
 
kyser_soze said:
What, so this should have been some kind of referendum?

1. You don't pay £100 for just TV programming. Try having a look at what the BBC actually DOES before whining about it

2. You don't have to subscribe to anyone else.

3. Where's your choice? Stop watching 'a load of bollocks' on TV and go and buy a book, go to a gallery or the theatre, listen to the radio. Maybe go to the gym or attend an evening class to improve you mind or develop your skills at a hobby that interests you. 'Where's my choice?' - probably the same place you left your imagination.

1. i don't watch the 'load of bollocks' on TV
2. i prefer to read books etc
3. i go to the gym and aerobics classes
4. i go walking and do various other things that interest me
5. i don't tend to get personal with people, just because they don't share my opinion - its low and completely unnecessary

End of...
 
I think it's fucking great.

Guarantees me a decent living until I choose to retire, anyway.

:cool:
 
JGWacky said:
1. i don't watch the 'load of bollocks' on TV
2. i prefer to read books etc
3. i go to the gym and aerobics classes
4. i go walking and do various other things that interest me
5. i don't tend to get personal with people, just because they don't share my opinion - its low and completely unnecessary

End of...

I was merely pointing out that your OP was

a. partially incorrect with your comment about the BBC
b. If you already DO all of these things then you are already excercising your choice so why bitch about the BBC specifically?
 
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