Time is not always linear.

[Shippou-Sensei]

i belive the time effect you are refering to is the urashima effect (aka the twins paradox) which regards the slowing of time when a body is in motion... to put it roughly the faster you go the slower time passes for you relative to someone travaling at a lower speed... however before you say anything the efect at speeds we can travel at is negligible and of course for someone traviling at speed, time appear to flow as normal.

and it is quite possibly not just adrenaline alnoe but a complex reaction in the brain... or the quantity of adrenaline may be difrent. as for duplicating the effects.... try a dangerous stunt while chewing on an adrenal gland?

plus although speed is improved i don't belive clarity is

 

[weltweit]

Oh but clarity was improved, my brain appeared to work "like never before" and all my memories seemed available to be checked for any scrap that might save me.

In normal life my memory is never as good, quite poor actually, I often hunt for memories (to remember something) for ages.

 

[weltweit]

Re time and speed, does this make any sense?

1) If I travel from point A to point B fast, I arrive sometime after I left.

2) If I travel from A to B much faster I arrive a much shorter time after I left.

3) If I travel even faster I arrive only momentarily after I left.

4) There comes a point when I am both at point A and point B at the same time.

5) if I go even faster I arrive BEFORE I left.

Make any sense?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

yes... it appeared to work like that.... it doesn't mean it did work that well

as your perception is skewed by the moment your internal analisis of your abilities isn't 100% reliable and could posibly be back filled from the point when you realised than standing/jumping may be a good idea to fill in the blanks about where and when you found out that knowledge... the brain does strange things

 

[perplexis]

It's too late for me to be bothered to find any references, but there is a fair amountof research in psychology about the perception of time. The work I can recall (albeit dimly) relates to the eprception of the duration of events in music, far less tressful things than a motorcycle accident, and it has been found that perception of tiem is stretched around significant musical events (e.g. significant changes of rhythm, crucial notes in a harmony) such that listeners report highly salient things as lasting longer than others that are of lower salience but equal duration.
So, the brain's perception (by which I relaly mean one's concious perception) of time is not at all linear, no. Whether that means time is not llinear is a question for physicists really. I should think about this some more I guess...

 

[bluestreak]

this thread hurts.

 

[weltweit]

Perhaps we need to step back and ask

what is time ?

off to check dictionary

eh .. my dictionary has a whole page on it :-/

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Re time and speed, does this make any sense?

1) If I travel from point A to point B fast, I arrive sometime after I left.

2) If I travel from A to B much faster I arrive a much shorter time after I left.

3) If I travel even faster I arrive only momentarily after I left.

4) There comes a point when I am both at point A and point B at the same time.

5) if I go even faster I arrive BEFORE I left.

Make any sense?

1.) yes

2.) err relative to who?

3.) yes but only to your perspective (i think)

4.) no

5.) no

to stop time compleatly you would need to reach the speed of light something which is imposible for anything other than light (stop me if i'm wrong)

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light

 

[weltweit]

this thread hurts.

Not half as much as my crashing that motorbike is my bet

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Not half as much as my crashing that motorbike is my bet

it might if you worked in physics

 

[weltweit]

2.) err relative to who?

>>>> 2 was relative to 1

to stop time compleatly you would need to reach the speed of light something which is imposible for anything other than light (stop me if i'm wrong)

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light

Oh I am sure somehow we will eventually find a way to travel that fast.

Laws are there to be broken for example the world was once flat.

 

[weltweit]

stepping back a bit

Do you believe that there has to be a universe for their to be the passage of time?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Albert Einstein is rising from his grave to find you and bitch slap you

 

[weltweit]

You should be a politician I have not seen such a concerted attempt to avoid answering a simple question since I last watched Blair at his press conference

If time exists at all surely it must be independent of the universe, we measure the age of the universe in units of time, time is how we measure our lives, we believe there is a past because we remember doing it, we believe there is a future because we expect to wake up in the morning .. and find a new day ... time just ticks .. universe or not ... no ?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the question you are asking is far from simple

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

If time exists at all surely it must be independent of the universe, we measure the age of the universe in units of time, time is how we measure our lives, we believe there is a past because we remember doing it, we believe there is a future because we expect to wake up in the morning .. and find a new day ... time just ticks .. universe or not ... no ?

right that's quite ... well

lets break it down

"If time exists at all surely it must be independent of the universe"

No, time is an intergral part of the universe and is considred to have started with the big bang therfore rendering anything before the big bang or even the concept of a "before" imposible to comprehend

"we believe there is a past because we remember doing it, we believe there is a future because we expect to wake up in the morning .. and find a new day"

and some people belive the world was created in seven days buy a big guy with a beard... belife has nothing useful to do with reality

"time just ticks .. universe or not"

if there is no universe then ther is nothing to have time in .... indeed no universe no conceps nothing nada any posible kind of comprehention = gone

 

[118118]

belife has nothing useful to do with reality

It has a bit to do with reality.

Anyway, is there any chance that everyone is immortal? Someone here must be able to give an answer easily to that. Maybe thats what you experienced? Lol.

 

[weltweit]

in response to the wiki link:

hmm yes not simple at all when a few physicians have been writing about it you are right indeed .. I don't even get headaches but I could feel one coming on reading that :-/ they seem to have written it in a different language, not one I can make sense of :-(

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

perhaps she is.....

 

[weltweit]

right that's quite ... well
c
lets break it down

"If time exists at all surely it must be independent of the universe"

No, time is an intergral part of the universe and is considred to have started with the big bang therfore rendering anything before the big bang or even the concept of a "before" imposible to comprehend

Ok so if time started with the big bang there is a start to time, it has an end, that end is it's beginning. If it has one end it must have another .. the end of time .. in the future somewhere .. unless as I suggested earlier in the thread time may actually be a strand or a loop or even multiple strands

"we believe there is a past because we remember doing it, we believe there is a future because we expect to wake up in the morning .. and find a new day"

and some people belive the world was created in seven days buy a big guy with a beard... belife has nothing useful to do with reality

No I don't agree with you there .. my view :

Facts = something we *believe* are true

Evidence = something we *believe* supports facts

Beliefs = something we *believe* is true but probably cannot prove as a fact

"time just ticks .. universe or not"

if there is no universe then ther is nothing to have time in .... indeed no universe no conceps nothing nada any posible kind of comprehention = gone

But you support the theory of the big bang, before the big bang there was not nothing, there was all the matter that makes up the present universe, but it was tightly packed and had not yet gone bang.

Time was still ticking, at least it was if you do not believe that time had a starting end but that time might be infinite.

If you do believe that time started at the time of the big bang then you must concede that there was a beginning to time (an end of time as a strand or filament) and therefore there must also be an end, the other end, the end of time.

make any sense ?

 

[weltweit]

It has a bit to do with reality.

Anyway, is there any chance that everyone is immortal? Someone here must be able to give an answer easily to that. Maybe thats what you experienced? Lol.

Yes there is certainly that possibility, and in fact the idea of immortality is a little like the idea of reincarnation, you live on .... on and on .. some belief systems suggest that you are rewarded in the next life for good deeds in this one but that might just be a way to promote good behaviour.

I have wondered if when all went blank when I hit the car, when I seemed to be switched off, if I did not in fact die, just for a period of time and then woke up still alive .. perhaps every day is a life and every night of sleep a death .. I really have no idea ..

What do you think 118118 ?

 

[ska invita]

So in conclusion, TIME IS NOT ALWAYS LINEAR.

One second does not always take one second to pass, sometimes it can take a minute or much longer if needed.

Discuss.

In this example time was still linear, it still moved forward in a linear fashion.

however your perception of time changed - this is a well documented event in humans.

For time not to be linear it would have to go backwards, or perhaps loop. Time does seem to always be linear however, although there are interesting anecdotes about predicting the future which do question that.

Of course this all presupposes that time exists outside of the subjective human experience - which isn't a certainty.

-Glad you survived the crash and thanks for the tip about standing up!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've had those time-slowing things before; oddly enough, it involved a motorcycle in emergent circumstances as well.

Seems like you've got forever to make the right choices.

 

[weltweit]

In this example time was still linear, it still moved forward in a linear fashion.

Yes you are quite right, it still appeared as a line but it appeared to have "slowed down".

however your perception of time changed - this is a well documented event in humans.

Not one I had come across though I have met people who had similar experiences to mine.

-Glad you survived the crash and thanks for the tip about standing up!

No worries, I hope you do not have to use it

Incidentally if it had been a high off the ground 4x4 rather than a low slung sports car I am pretty sure I would not be here today.

 

[weltweit]

I've had those time-slowing things before; oddly enough, it involved a motorcycle in emergent circumstances as well.

Seems like you've got forever to make the right choices.

So what do you think JC2, does time slow down or do you speed up?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

-Glad you survived the crash and thanks for the tip about standing up!

Seconded. That's the kind of tip that saves you from a head injury.

 

[118118]

What do you think 118118 ?

I don't like thinking about daeth at the moment, it confuses me. As I understand it, death is not a state, because you are not around to experience it. But, I don't buy that my life goes on until I die,a nd that is all there is, simply because I cannot comprehend the uncomprehendible. And death, i think, cannot be comprehended. It confuses me no end - I want to believe that I experience nothing for ever when I am dead, but that in itself seems unlikely. As far as I can tell there are no options when thinkning about death - so it will happen but... no, don't ask me. Perhaps my ego is all fucked up, or something.

 

[weltweit]

for 118118

imho if you sit with an old person as they die, with decency and dignity, you know that there is nothing to fear, to die is like to go to sleep when you are tired.

There will be nothing you can do for them except hold their hand and say goodbye. When someone really is dying that is all anyone can do, does not matter who you are doctor priest nurse just an ordinary human.

If you see someone killed suddenly, perhaps in a war zone or a traffic accident, I think you come to realise that we (life) are/is like a light switch, we can be turned off in just a quick moment.

Many of the worlds religions believe that we have a soul which is not part of the body and some people believe that all living things animals and plants also have souls, some people who believe that believe that when the body dies the soul lives on and joins all the other souls later perhaps to be joined to a new life perhaps a new baby, perhaps a plant or an animal. Recycling just as we are recycled when we are put back in the ground.

Some people who call themselves witches believe that they can see your soul and can tell how healthy you are by how it looks, christians painted saints with halos above their heads, this seems to be similar to what others describe as souls.

Me I am not sure what I believe. I am not scared of death though, imho it is an inevitable consequence of life.

BUT ... I would rather not go until I am ready

 

[Crispy]

Strictly speaking, nothing may accelerate past the speed of light. Things that are already going that fast may continue to do so. This is because in e=mc^2, as your kinetic energy, e increases, so does your mass, m. The heavier you are, the more energy you need to accelerate. You end up needing infinite energy to go faster than the speed of light, c.

Time is curved because space is curved. They are not seperate things, but a single thing - spacetime. It's the old iron balls on a rubber sheet analogy. wikipedia knows all

 

[kyser_soze]

Weltweit, you seem to be confusing your own subjective experience of time with Time - during this period of frozen/reversed time you perceived in your head, the cells in your body still died and reproduced, your food was still digested by stomach acids and enzymes etc, and you still carried on moving forwards; what you brain perceived was affected by chemical changes in your brain happening in response to what was a high-stress situation, which is something that humans have evolved as primarily a subconcious technique, but one that can be trained into the brain to be used in everyday life - for example, professional cricket and tennis players are capable of hitting balls travelling far faster than you or I could because they train to ignore the see ball-think about movement-make movement conscious process, and rely on trained reactions (there's also stuff about recognising body/bat/ball position which can generate the same response).

When athletes talk about being 'in the zone' they are usually referring to a mental state where they are in a different form of consciousness to 'normal', and one that is optimised for say, reacting to the sounding of a starting gun. I remember reading an article about studies that show that human physical endurance is at least partially a function of the mind - that if you think about something being a long distance your body will respond according to that, or possibly your brain will make you think your body is responding like that, you feel tired, fatigued etc.

Phrases like 'it's all in the mind' seem to have a ring of truth about them...