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Time is not always linear.

weltweit

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A short story of a personal experience that led me to this belief.

I was riding a motorbike into a village at about 60mph not paying too much attention to anything when suddenly a red sportscar arriving in front of me from the left, pulled out into the road into my path and stopped right in front of me covering my lane perhaps 20-30 yards away.

My first thought was that as it had stopped, blocking my path, perhaps I could quickly swerve around its front and avoid collision, so I started to think about swerving the bike to the right. As I was thinking this, another car appeared coming from the other direction and cut off that line of escape.

I realised with an awful certainty that I was going to hit the sportscar at 60mph and would probably die. I thought that is it for me, game over, in the next fractions of a second the game is up, I will be dead.

Travelling as fast as I was, I covered the ground towards the car very quickly but as I contemplated the absolute certainty of my own death I realised, although I was about to die, I was not dead yet so perhaps there was something I could do to save my life.

I thought hard and my mind seemed very clear as it started to search for solutions.

Time itself appeared to almost stand still as I thought. I had time to search back through memories years old, I thought of skidding the rear tyre, sliding around and hitting the car broadside but discarded this as I knew I did not have the time to get my foot onto the rear brake. I had not even time to reach my fingers from around the twistgrip to even slightly squeeze the front brake to slow myself down as I was approaching the accident so fast.

Time still seemed to be going very very slowly, tiny fractions of a second taking minutes or hours to pass as I tried to find a way to save myself.

I searched my memories again and again, there must be a way to save myself because I was not ready to die, not yet, not right at this moment not in the next nanosecond when the inevitable collision was going to happen.

Eventually after searching most of my brain's contents as I hurtled toward the sports car in seeming slow motion I did find a memory that could help me.

I remembered that about two years before I had been fascinated by an article written in a bike magazine by a Scandinavian stunt rider. The article was quite long and I recalled it all, sifting through that specific memory I found one sentence that could help me. The stunt rider had said:

“If you are going to hit a car, stand up!”

I processed that thought, decided it could help to save me, and my fractions of a second that had seemed like hours or more started to come to an end, I started to stand up on the footpegs and the bike and I hit the car.

My mind went completely blank, nothing, not even black, as if I had been switched off like a light.

After some time I started to feel again and found myself on my face in the road some distance away from the car. My act of standing up had meant that I had pretty much flown over the handlebars and completely over the car avoiding hitting any of it and eventually ending up in the road some distance from the scene of the accident.

The point of this story is that during that event, which in total took only a second or two at the most, far less time than you have taken reading this far, time really did almost stand still for me, there is no other way I would have happened on that memory of the single sentence in the article I had read years before unless I had sufficient time to search all my memory banks, to dig and trawl for something, anything, that could help me in my moment of greatest need.

So in conclusion, TIME IS NOT ALWAYS LINEAR.

One second does not always take one second to pass, sometimes it can take a minute or much longer if needed.

Discuss.
 
Phew! When you travel through a village at 60mph where anyone could be coming round the corner, it's nice to know you concentrate! Would hate to think there might be a sports car to take you by surprise. Or a small child. Or a cyclist. Or someone walking their dog.

You must be really :cool:
 
I know what you mean but the road was a 60mph main A road and all houses were back from the road .. but yes I was not paying attention, probably was being a bit dangerous myself .. just a youth at the time .. the courts however decided the sports car driver was completely to blame, he had not even glanced in my direction. But hey motorcycles are not safe things.

When I said I rode faster after, that is true but I rode in the countryside where there are no people, few cars and no children .. I have managed to avoid hurting anyone so far and am now quite old so not a complete idiot.
 
But back to TIME

Have none of you had to listen to a boring speaker or sit in a dull meeting and thought the seconds were passing like hours . it is almost the same thing, I am saying that seconds do not always take a second to pass.
 
Loki said:
Your brain plays some interesting tricks with time perception in fast-moving situations.

Loki but surely it must be more than that, I spent time thinking and searching my memories for what seemed like a very long time, either time slowed down or my brain became that of the 6 million dollar man :-) and it has never been like that since so I kind of rule that out.
 
Fair enough. When you said "village" I had a specific tree-lined, winding road scenario going on in my head. I find that since I've become a parent vehicles of any kind terrify me so I can be a little snappy about these things.

I work part-time in the afternoon. I've never known mornings pass so quickly. I get up at 6.30am and suddenly it's time for work. It just disappears amid the chaos of bathtime, washings, playtime and so forth. My mornings at the moment are a quarter of the length of an afternoon. :rolleyes:
 
weltweit if you seriously believe that what you experienced is anything other than human perception of the fixed passing of time i reckon you needed a thicker helmet during that crash
 
Poot said:
Fair enough. When you said "village" I had a specific tree-lined, winding road scenario going on in my head. I find that since I've become a parent vehicles of any kind terrify me so I can be a little snappy about these things.

Yes I am a parent also, I know what you mean.

It amazes me, looking back, that my parents helped me buy my first motorbike even though they knew how dangerous they are. I am not at all sure we would help buy our kid one.

Poot said:
I work part-time in the afternoon. I've never known mornings pass so quickly. I get up at 6.30am and suddenly it's time for work. It just disappears amid the chaos of bathtime, washings, playtime and so forth. My mornings at the moment are a quarter of the length of an afternoon. :rolleyes:

So time does appear to travel at different speed, you agree with the jist of what I was saying poot?
 
Shippou-Chan said:
weltweit if you seriously believe that what you experienced is anything other than human perception of the fixed passing of time i reckon you needed a thicker helmet during that crash

Hey I would not have typed out all those words if I did not believe it :-)

I do believe it, time is not linear.

I have spoken to other people who have had similar experiences.

I do not believe I could have processed all that thinking in the fractions of a second that were actually available to me. But I did and time did seem to stand still, not for long but for long enough.

Re helmets, actually I had a pathetically small open face helmet on that day which was a bit too big for me and used to fall a bit down my back letting all my hair out, anyhow I discovered why they are called "open face" it is because when you are in a crash they do open your face ... my face ripped to pieces when it hit the tarmac ... blood everywhere and still scars even now .

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Oh yes. Very much. And I can remember, as I'm sure most people can, loads of examples of when I was a child and falling off a climbing frame/out of a tree/over the vaulting horse and having that whole thought process "this is really going to hurt, how can I prevent it hurting?" thing going on. Kind of similar to your thing really but on a smaller scale. Always seemed to take forever to actually land.

Pootbaby is not having a bike, by the way. In fact I may not let him leave the house until he's 25. ;)
 
hummm what's more likely...

the vast years of evolution that means that humans who were able to remember complicated actions in fractions of a second to save themselves from dangerous situations prospered and passed on this survival trait

or

weltweit can bend time with his mind
 
Shippou-Chan said:
hummm what's more likely...

the vast years of evolution that means that humans who were able to remember complicated actions in fractions of a second to save themselves from dangerous situations prospered and passed on this survival trait

or

weltweit can bend time with his mind

I just don't see that I could have done all I did in the fractions of a second available to me except if time slowed down.

Just because we have watches on our wrists does not mean that we have to live life at the time our watches tick, time only ticks when you watch it, otherwise it just passes as you progress though your day.

What about if time is some kind of a resource and you could use more or less of it as you needed then you could have more time to complete something demanding and use less time when less focus was needed.

Probably should have thought more before writing that ... always the edit button I suppose but that is cheating.
 
I do believe the true nature of time is somewhat beyond my comprehension as I was never that good at physics. time may well be infinite if I could answer what the relationship between time and space is and if I could answer if the universe will continually expand or will at some point begin to contract ending in a time space warping point. as i can do none of these i will simply say that time is a complex system and i am very certain you can not control it
 
I am not really saying that I can control it, just that for a moment for me it seemed to stretch in a very real way.

Time may not be related to the universe at all, perhaps it is infinite and always marches onward (and backward) but I think physics teaches us that bodies will always achieve rest when they have balanced all the forces on them.

As the universe is expanding it has not yet achieved rest so time (if it is associated with the universe) does not stretch backwards infinitely because if it did the components of the universe would have achieved rest and stayed there.

So if time is linked to the universe it suggests there is a start to time, a beginning, which also suggests there will also be an end, time is perhaps like a piece of string stretching back into the past to its beginning and out into the future to its end.

But it could have ends and also be circular, the end and the beginning linking together, the universe expanding at the moment, later to contract, repeating onward infinitely, time more like a Hamster wheel we are limited by and where we only feel we can travel in one direction.

I am not sure that time is linked to the universe.
 
... sorry that was a little mean ...

but I have to honestly say I don't think much of your hypothesis on the flexibility of time being more than human perception. or should i say this experience of time.
 
Shippou-Chan said:
If that is you comprehension of physics you must have called the RSPCA when you read about Schroedinger's cat

This christmas, the RSPCA will take in 1,000 semi-existential cats. These poor animals have been in a superimposed state of life and death all their adult life, and now need a carer to observe them at all times, in order to maintain their correct vital state. Please think of the cats, and if you know of anyone putting them in boxes, call the RSPCA now. Please.
 
Time is curved everywhere. It's gurved by gravity. However, here on the surface of planet earth, it's as close to flat as makes no difference at all except to the most sophisticated physics experiments.

The effect of adrenaline on the brain, however, can cause exactly the sort of time perception dilation that you described. Your brain is a wonderful thing and it saved your life.
 
Crispy said:
Time is curved everywhere. It's gurved by gravity. However, here on the surface of planet earth, it's as close to flat as makes no difference at all except to the most sophisticated physics experiments.

Hi Crispy

When you say that time is curved could you explain that more? Do you mean that thing about when someone travels in space they can travel longer or shorter time than the time that elapses on earth (somat like that iirc)

Crispy said:
The effect of adrenaline on the brain, however, can cause exactly the sort of time perception dilation that you described. Your brain is a wonderful thing and it saved your life.

Well that *might* be an explanation I grant you but I have been in other situations where the adrenaline flowed and it did not have the same effect.

I do agree that the brain is a wonderful thing but if this extra clarity and speed is possible (and it is not down to some stretching of time) then I would like to have it on demand :-) Any idea how I go about that ?
 
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