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Tim Westwood; Crap / Not Crap?

Tim Westwood; crap or not.....?

  • Yes

    Votes: 75 72.1%
  • No

    Votes: 24 23.1%
  • Who?

    Votes: 5 4.8%

  • Total voters
    104
Sadie said:
I never ever said Hip Hop culture is exclusively black, in fact I actually think Westwood promotes this particular idea. Why then would he speak in an affected African-American dialect when this is blatantly not his natural way of talking? He seems to think that coming from a priveleged background and liking hiphop cannot possible coincide. I don't think anything of the kind, I just believe he is a buffoon for pretending to be something he is not.

The point is that the criticism that you level at Tim (pretending to be something that he is not - presumably on the basis of a vocal affectation) can equally be levelled at many of the artists who claim to be 'keeping it real' or 'keeping it ghetto' or even 'keeping it black' (whatever that might mean). You could also argue that mainstream Hip Hop is an entire affectation - trying to be something that it isn't.

BB:)
 
Personally I think he is a twat.

I respect him for what he's done in the past, the capital rap show was one of the first things I remember hearing on the radio and thinking yeah this is what it's all about...

But I think he has become a parody of himself and Hip Hop culture, no wonder KRS One dissed him on the radio, calling him a fake.

He doesn't do much to support the UK Hip Hop scene either, he seems to play nothing but US stuff and 90% of it is wack IMO. (Not US Hip Hop, just the stuff he plays)
 
westwood is hilariuos, dont listen to his show coz its not the kind of hip hop i like - nut he plays as he'd put it"whats hot on the streets"...

he's been around since day 1, and deserves respect for that, as for the accent , hw would probably argue that he is an entertainer - and its part of the affected personality that he adopts when ...entertaining:cool:

I did hear the show wiht KRS - and that was radio at its finest!!

KRS - well theres another, there should be a poll on him. Found some videos of him 'lecturing' on google the other day:eek: :eek:
 
soam said:
KRS - well theres another, there should be a poll on him. Found some videos of him 'lecturing' on google the other day:eek: :eek:

yeah, he's a professor isn't he?
 
fishfingerer said:
Oh no he fucking doesn't sir.

check out the interview with him in latest HHC - ive changed my views since reading that. Just things like refusing to play records on his label on his shows becauase he would make money of them...seems pretty cool thing to do..
 
Ages and ages ago there was a thread about Westwood where i posted up the MP3 of that famous show when KRS ONE tried to diss him, and (IMO) ended up making more of a fool of himself than Westwood.


Did everyone on this thread get it? Anyone want me to upload it again?
 
He is very good at what he does .personally I cant stand him and the type of music he plays but so what people cant stand my taste in music .Upsetting cameron has to be worth a beer, Come on tim:D .
 
I don't have a problem with Westwood, I would have thought the novelty of saying he's crap, because of his voice, would wear off after a while! Music MIGHT be shit though... I don't like it when he plays songs for the LADIES anyway. So fuck it, I voted crap.
 
He, and his show, annoy the crap out of me, but that's becuase 99% of what he plays is utter fucking toilet IMO.

However, you can't deny what he did/is doing for hip hop and rap in this country and I guess if those particular musical genres float your boat then he must be OK :)
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
He, and his show, annoy the crap out of me, but that's becuase 99% of what he plays is utter fucking toilet IMO.

However, you can't deny what he did/is doing for hip hop and rap in this country and I guess if those particular musical genres float your boat then he must be OK :)

What he does for this country? He plays very little UK Hip Hop.
 
Can Westwood actually mix/cut/scratch? I've never heard him do anything of the sort.

You'd think that a DJ who has been playing Hip Hop for over 20 years would of learnt some skills along the way.
 
Dask said:
Can Westwood actually mix/cut/scratch? I've never heard him do anything of the sort.

You'd think that a DJ who has been playing Hip Hop for over 20 years would of learnt some skills along the way.

nope he gets other DJs to do it for him on his radio show
 
Dask said:
Can Westwood actually mix/cut/scratch? I've never heard him do anything of the sort.

You'd think that a DJ who has been playing Hip Hop for over 20 years would of learnt some skills along the way.

No, he isn't renowned for his technical skills BUT he does know how to 'read' a crowd very well. And he has never aspired to be a truly technical 'turntablist' - in this respect he has always been consistent.

BB:)
 
max_freakout said:
nope he gets other DJs to do it for him on his radio show

yeah, i seen him literally slap it on the deck cack-handed and crash the fader in :eek: no bothering afaics
 
Boogie Boy said:
No, he isn't renowned for his technical skills BUT he does know how to 'read' a crowd very well.

In THAT ^ sense i think he's one of the world's all time great hip hop DJs, he is like funkmaster flex minus the turntablist skills


PS the Westwood vs KRS ONE MP3 is 132 MB, can't remember where i uploaded it before anyone know where i can upload it all in one go?
 
Went for yes due to ludicrous affected accent/yoof speak from middle aged bishop's son plus apalling presenting of 'Pimp my ride' uk style!:mad:
 
just got back from what was meant to be westwood playing a golden age hip hop set - the chump just played his usual big dog bullshit. very annoyed. now i come to think of it, i dont know why the thought of westwood playing a golden age set was appealing - ive always defended him, but thats the last straw. man needs to be permanently relegated to doing MOT my ride.

i would say this - i looked deep into his eyes whilst he was djing and he is not a happy man- he works in the face of a lot of negativity and feels it. even when he was introduced the crowd booed him! in the face of all that he still did his thing all guns blazing - though what he does is play rap tunes i really dont like.
 
The point is that the criticism that you level at Tim (pretending to be something that he is not - presumably on the basis of a vocal affectation) can equally be levelled at many of the artists who claim to be 'keeping it real' or 'keeping it ghetto' or even 'keeping it black' (whatever that might mean). You could also argue that mainstream Hip Hop is an entire affectation - trying to be something that it isn't.
I agree with this. TBF, growing up in a clergyman's family isn't poverty, it's not cash-rich luxury or anything, and he's been a DJ in the hiphop industry for 25 years, and most of his critics haven't or anything like it. A lot of rappers come from just as comfortable backgrounds as Westwood and their "keeping it real" is just as contrived - just look at the number that are kids of teachers and academics! Common, Kanye, Biggie... In other news - Johnny Cash never shot anyone in Reno, Elvis didn't go to prison, and AC/DC prefer a nice up of tea to shaking all night long.

TBH, whenever I hear criticisms of Westwood being fake, it makes me think of this kid criticising 50 Cent for a lack of street cred:


Which led to the hilarious response video:


as for the accent , hw would probably argue that he is an entertainer - and its part of the affected personality that he adopts when ...entertaining:cool:

I think this is right. He knows it's an affectation and he knows lots of people dislike it. But at this point, it's part of his brand/act - an act that he's spun out for about two decades longer than any other Radio 1 DJ. Without it, he'd just be Des Kaye working at B&Q.

This isn't really my story, but I'll tell it anyway. Acquaintance had to record a promo or an ident for something, and were working their way through various celebs/DJs at some event on a Monday morning and got to Westwood, who was pretty bleary-eyed. They gave him the copy, turned on the mike and he mumbled
"hi, this is Tim Westwood, make sure to check out our website at www.someyouthdrugawarenessthing.com, bye"
and then he finished. It wasn't very good and there was an embarrassed pause; he looked up and the acquaintance said "erm, do you think you could make it a bit more...you know...Westwood?" He nodded, smiled, paused, took a deep breath and started bellowing,
"yo, wassup bredren, it's your boy Wesswood fresh from playing the flyest joints, listen up, I want every one of you to drop the knowledge bomb and log on to www.someyouthdrugawarenessthing.com, 'cos you got to know it before you blow it, on the real, understand what your life is and represent your own choices, educate yourself, think about it one time, PEACE!"
(or whatever).

So yeah, he understands what people expect of him and he knows how to deliver it. I've also heard from a mate who was a runner on TV shows that he's superprofessional and polite to everyone on sets etc.

I think if you've had twenty years of people really viscerally hating you and telling you you know nothing, you know what people think of you. Look at it the other way around - seeing as he can't mix, produce, rap or make beats - what exactly is Westwood without his image?
 
Look at it the other way around - seeing as he can't mix, produce, rap or make beats - what exactly is Westwood without his image?
its true he never used to mix on his shows (i even heard a young mk used to do his show on capital), but he can cut tracks in a club - but the trick he uses to make the cuts is talking all over everything.

before i left last night (which was sharpish) he gave us such gems as "if you were born in the 80s throw your hands up - if you were born in the 90s throw your hands up!" - most of the crowd were a lot older, as we'd come to hear a golden age set (grrrrrumble) - "if you are a student throw your hands up - if youve got a british passport throw your hands up" :hmm: and the one that got the biggest cheer was "let me hear you say fuck you westwood", which everyone joined in on.

westwood at carnival was pretty crazy shit though...miss that
 
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