Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i think i can work out who's behind it...RaverDrew said:"The 9/11 liquidising-threads conspiracy !!!"
threads on 911 being liquidised...
- Thread starter fela fan
- Start date
I like to call it 11 September, 2001 just to be contrary. 
Pickman's model said:
Stop, please! No more ks on topic!
Draconian is certainly one word mate.
But since i've been put on this forum to discuss my problems with these threads getting binned or erased, i'd like to ask the moderators and the editor precisely why they keep having them binned. And the lastest one, for the first time, simply erased without any trace. Liquidated if you like fridge...
Coz it ain't because of the hordes of conspiracy fans, coz as editor pointed out there were only four of them. And that included me, and i'm not one, so that brings it down to three. Including one that was really temporary.
So why else might threads that are allowed to run into hundreds of posts each time suddenly get binned? If there are only two potential fruitloops, then urban's good name can hardly be at threat.
And the other argument put forward is that the threads go round in circles. Since editor is always the most frequent poster of them, perhaps if like garfield le cat said, editor refrained from posting on them, then some sensible debate might be allowed to flourish. I mean, with only two potential fruitloops on the loose, then it's hardly a problem for urban.
I just would like to know an appropriate reason, grounded in reality, as to why these threads on a pre-eminent topic of the 21st century should be treated in the harsh manner they are.
Any good reasons?
Personally, i never COMMENTED on them for ages, but i read them , quite a lot, i never felt compelled to say anything on them- until i started thinking about the person a family member knew who was killed that day . I think it was when all the the phone calls were faked non-sense was happening, then ( somehow) the xenophobic bullshit kicked off-so i made some tongue in cheek replies about that. do you think xenophobic attitudes are apt to help or hurt the cause of that issue on these boards fela? i reckon that was the downfall of that thread. so who should you thank for that ? correct me if i'm wrong ( editor, fela, anyone!)
fela fan said:
are you suggesting that the editor should stay off those threads??
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Put your money where your mouth is.
Since the Editor has already mentioned that none of the main CT culprits contribute to the server fund and he cannot therefore see why he should devote bandwidth to their interest it would seem that the obvious solution would be to sling him some dosh.
Personally i have never contributed to one of the threads but have thoroughly enjoyed them and in fact store some on my Hard Drive to read when i have time on my hands.
They are a great way of seeing modern myths in the making alongside desperate and increasingly frantic attempts to apply the scientific method to what is all too often essentialy unknowable. That is why in isolation on their own fruitcake board they would lack the resonance and relevance that Urban 75 can bring to them. I am sure there is a potential doctoral thesis lieing somewhere amongst the halfbaked homespun dung.
Since the Editor has already mentioned that none of the main CT culprits contribute to the server fund and he cannot therefore see why he should devote bandwidth to their interest it would seem that the obvious solution would be to sling him some dosh.
Personally i have never contributed to one of the threads but have thoroughly enjoyed them and in fact store some on my Hard Drive to read when i have time on my hands.
They are a great way of seeing modern myths in the making alongside desperate and increasingly frantic attempts to apply the scientific method to what is all too often essentialy unknowable. That is why in isolation on their own fruitcake board they would lack the resonance and relevance that Urban 75 can bring to them. I am sure there is a potential doctoral thesis lieing somewhere amongst the halfbaked homespun dung.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i thought that donating to the server fund was to be done on a voluntary basis and would not affect the status of posters. it appears i was wrong.kenny g said:
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
It doesn`t effect the status of posters but it may well effect the status of posts.Pickman's model said:
Seems to be quite reasonable from some perspectives . The threads infuriate Mike and fill up a politics forum that he envisioned would encompass other matters. Why should the boards be subsidising a group of CTers who haven`t got their own home to go to?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i don't like the sound of this "yr money or yr threads" line.kenny g said:
editor
hiraethified
Are you fucking deaf?fela fan said:
How many times do I need to tell you until it sinks in?
urban75 was not set up as a one-stop shop for endlessly parroting dodgy conspiracies found on the internet.
If you want to endlessly repeat the same bollocks about faked phone calls, imploding WTC towers, remote control planes and all the other evidence-untroubled bonkers theories START YOUR OWN FORUM.
This doesn't mean that all references to what happened on 9/11 are banned: it just means that I'm not prepared to put up with the same handful of conspiracy-obsessed individuals posting up the same drivel time and time and time again.
The "what happened to the passengers and planes" thread was the final straw. Despite endless requests for a straight answer to the question posed by the thread title, it turned out to be yet another total waste of time, server space and bandwith.
And look at all the disruption caused by the same tiny handful of individuals who seem to think they have some kind of God-given right to repeat themselves endlessly here!
And for the last fucking time, threads that descend into personal abuse and/or endlessly attack mods will be deleted. If you have a problem with those terms clearly set out in the Posting FAQ, tough fucking shit.
Thousands of other posters dont have a problem with it...
editor
hiraethified
(deep sigh)Pickman's model said:
Stop trying to manufacture an non-existent position, there's a good chap.
I have never made any such claim, but I feel some individuals need to be reminded that these forums only exist because of the goodwill of a small percentage of posters and the fucking hard work put in by me and the admin team.
No one has a God given right to endlessly repeat themselves here.
This is not a publicly funded service.
I don't owe conspiracy fans anything and I'm under no obligation to let a tiny, tiny handful of posters continue to cause disruption and/or hassle for me and these boards.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Pickman's model said:
I am sure that if the threads were on a topic that fitted the boards ethos then money would not enter into it. The point is though that the only reason why they have ended up in the world politics section is that they have no where else to go to. By right they should be down there with history or even religion but that would puncture the false sense of relevance that they attempt to posess.
The band of CTs continue to posess the rather bizarre belief that sharing their latest bit of speculative yarn making on the politics boards is a basic right.The CTs asked for a special conspiracy section and were refused. Rather then take the hint they proceeded to splatter their conjecture in world politics.
edit-- looks like Editor beat me to it! Must learn to type faster.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i got the impression from kenny g's posts that that was the position.editor said:
i'm not disputing the hard work you and the mods put in, nor that urban depends on people's continuing good will, nor that this isn't publically funded.
i understand that some conspiracy threads are a waste of space and bandwidth. yet, i feel that perhaps you should take each individual case on its merits, as some conspiracy threads are worth discussion, even if the people debating it can't always produce the degree of evidence you desire.
if you've a problem with some posters who frequently breach the faq in raising dubious conspiracy threads then why don't you ban them? the way you speak about them indicates the amount of stress they give you and the admin team.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
you don't seem to have read my previous posts on this thread, where i have drawn a clear distinction between aspects of sept 11 which are worth discussing as there are clear grounds for concern, and other ones which are obviously barking mad.kenny g said:
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
editor said:
my previous post sounds a fair enough summary of yr position.Pickman's model said:
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
including that?Pickman's model said:
editor
hiraethified
You're wrong.Pickman's model said:
My position is clear. These boards were not set up as a conspiracy forum.
Therefore, I see no reason why precious bandwidth - partly funded by the whole community - should be wasted on endlessly repeated bonkers threads started by a tiny handful of obsessed individuals who wish to post up the same thing ad infinitum.
But seeing as you seem intent on backing me into a corner, I'm going to make a decision with the mods about how many more identical 9/11 threads will be permitted.
If the answer is none, then conspiracy fans will be free to leave the boards, set up thwir own forums and cancel any u75 standing orders they may have set up (if there are any).
Or to put it even simpler: I am fucking sick to death of a handful of people who seem to think that they have a God given right to endlessly repeat the same old bonkers bullshit here. The same handful of posters repeatedly cause disruption and annoyance by whining and complaining every time their endlessly repeated threads end up in the bin.
I've got a lot on my plate running this site and I really, really don't need this hassle. Seeing as it all comes from a microscopic handful of posters here, perhaps you might offer a reason why I should continue to put up with it?
9/11 has been discussed to death. What's the point of endlessly repeating the same stuff?
editor
hiraethified
And that's exactly what happened. Have you not read the two dumped 9/11 threads in the bin?Pickman's model said:
Both contain ample evidence of 'outlandish conspiracy stuff', so what's your complaint?
And the last three pages of the now permanently deleted other thread contained no 9/11 related debate whatsoever, only a long succession of tedious, off-topic, Posting FAQ-busting personal attacks.
So what are you complaining about? As far as I can see, I've acted entirely in line with your stated wishes.
quote editor " Dear WTC-keen, new poster with a strangely familiar IP address. "
Why is my IP address familiar? I've been reading posts here for a few years,but dont post very often.
And i just wondered if you had any suspisions or gut feelings about 911 and dodgy goings on,despite the lack of evidence,If i knew your views on this i wouldnt of asked.
I was just asking a question not having a dig.
noz
Why is my IP address familiar? I've been reading posts here for a few years,but dont post very often.
And i just wondered if you had any suspisions or gut feelings about 911 and dodgy goings on,despite the lack of evidence,If i knew your views on this i wouldnt of asked.
I was just asking a question not having a dig.
noz
Nikki said:
No xenophonbia helps no-one no time.
Thing is nikki, there's a lot more going on in these threads that has not been alluded to here. The real reasons for their degeneration haven't been stated. I feel unable to say what i want to say on the topic, even more so having woken up and seen the latest batch of replies. Suffice to say, garfield wrote a succinct and honest post that summed the whole thing up. But that thread was erased very shortly after his post.
Now since i'm just a dot on the landscape of time (=who the fuck am I), what i think or do is nothing in the grand scheme of things. So people are quite at liberty to tell me to fuck off.
However, i'm doing my best to say what i feel, and that is what i thought debate and free speech and exchange of forthright diverging opinions was where we in the freedom-loving, democractic western countries had arrived at.
Living next door to Burma, i see a real lack of freedom and ability to speak one's opinions. Naturally to me it's an important topic.
But i can always be told to fuck off, and that is the right of the person. Many do here on urban. Oh well, life goes on.
editor
hiraethified
That'll be because of all the off-topic, irrelevant personal abuse in that thread.fela fan said:
Remind me why I should put up with such shit, fela?
The Posting FAQ is very clear on this, so if you find its terms unacceptable, then you have two choices: live with it and quit your fucking whining or fuck off and start your own forum.
editor said:
Mate, i don't think you should have to put up with any shit. By the laws of life seemingly, it'll come your way, but i still say you shouldn't have to put up with shit. No-one should. But since they're the boards you brought into the community, you can't just leave them like posters can do.
Having said all that, it's my personal opinion that what garfield wrote in that post (the one you stated you hadn't read) didn't contain any shit directed at you, and had no personal abuse in it. It was an honest appraisal as to what goes wrong with these 911 threads. The fact that he laid the blame partly at your door doesn't equate to personal abuse. You could see that it was written with sadness in the words more than anything else.
I was asked to put this thread on this forum by a moderator, and that's simply what i've done. I don't believe i'm whining, although i concede i might look like a yapping dog that won't shut up. I find the FAQs acceptable, but in my opinion they're not being broken any more on these threads than other threads, and not at all in that post by garfield.
Please remember i only originally started that thread that was erased, not for personal benefit, but to raise a point that i thought if things got out of hand, it might damage the integrity and good name urban has developed for itself.
Whether i've over or misjudged it is another story. But isn't that what debating is designed to do, to thrash out problems?
I say yet again, it's your choice entirely if you have these threads banned. You may or may not recall i've always said that, and in one incidence i agreed with you over the binning one of them.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Good Lord!
Will you people ever stop whining?
The editor kindly provides a congenial place for discussion for an enormous number of people. He does so at his own expense in terms of both time and money. If he doesn't want them to be used to discuss what he considers to be conspiracy theories (and that's exactly what the 911 threads are), then fair enough.
Show some manners and either live with it or go somewhere else. We are guests here, remember?
Will you people ever stop whining?
The editor kindly provides a congenial place for discussion for an enormous number of people. He does so at his own expense in terms of both time and money. If he doesn't want them to be used to discuss what he considers to be conspiracy theories (and that's exactly what the 911 threads are), then fair enough.
Show some manners and either live with it or go somewhere else. We are guests here, remember?
Why does it have to be UK-based? Guerrilla News Network credible enough for you?editor said:
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