Those 24 men in Magaluf

[Johnny Vodka]

So whether the men were 'in on it' is irrelevant, because even if they weren't they don't come out badly. This is the point you're missing. Specific to the video, many of them didn't have their face shown in the video and none of them were outed and shamed in the national press, which should give you an indication of the difference.

If the guys' faces weren't in the video, they could hardly be identified in the press, could they? The girl got a bad deal there, but in terms of what the public think of the parties involved, I'd be surprised if most thought 'heroes' and 'slut'. Most people I suspect would find the behaviour of all concerned questionable and not really a good reflection on Brits abroad. (Certainly that's what a few of my female colleagues were thinking; one of them looked slightly ashamed announcing to us she's off to Magaluf on holiday. )

 

[mentalchik]

If the guys' faces weren't in the video, they could hardly be identified in the press, could they? The girl got a bad deal there, but in terms of what the public think of the parties involved, I'd be surprised if most thought 'heroes' and 'slut'. Most people I suspect would find the behaviour of all concerned questionable and not really a good reflection on Brits abroad. (Certainly that's what a few of my female colleagues were thinking; one of them looked slightly ashamed announcing to us she's off to Magaluf on holiday. )

Then i think you would certainly be suprised then.....

 

[tbtommyb]

If the guys' faces weren't in the video, they could hardly be identified in the press, could they?

Well that's the point. In sexual things and porn men are just an anonymous cock whereas everything about the woman's body and character is considered fair game. Particularly so with oral sex - perfect for anonymising the man and exposing the woman. Why do you think they chose sucking cock as the basis for their game?

The girl got a bad deal there, but in terms of what the public think of the parties involved, I'd be surprised if most thought 'heroes' and 'slut'. Most people I suspect would find the behaviour of all concerned questionable and not really a good reflection on Brits abroad. (Certainly that's what a few of my female colleagues were thinking; one of them looked slightly ashamed announcing to us she's off to Magaluf on holiday. )

I read an article in one of the Sunday papers where the journalist interviewed some guys in Magaluf who said they'd gone on a Carnage tour specifically because of the video.

Regarding your heroes/slut surprise, can you explain why that was the exact reaction to Slane Girl? Is it because she was at fault for not taking care to ensure that the cock she was sucking had a condom on it (obviously not the guy's responsibility)? Or is everyone else not as STD conscious as you?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Well that's the point. In sexual things and porn men are just an anonymous cock whereas everything about the woman's body and character is considered fair game. Particularly so with oral sex - perfect for anonymising the man and exposing the woman. Why do you think they chose sucking cock as the basis for their game?



I read an article in one of the Sunday papers where the journalist interviewed some guys in Magaluf who said they'd gone on a Carnage tour specifically because of the video.

Regarding your heroes/slut surprise, can you explain why that was the exact reaction to Slane Girl? Is it because she was at fault for not taking care to ensure that the cock she was sucking had a condom on it (obviously not the guy's responsibility)? Or is everyone else not as STD conscious as you?

Don't know anything about Slane Girl and it's too late tonight to do any research.

However, quick couple of points.

Bookings to Magaluf are something like 10% up. Are we to assume these are all or mostly men? Has there been a female response "we're no longer going on a Carnage tour"?

I don't really agree with your evaluation of prOn. Okay, I'm a fairly vanilla guy who just views porn occasionally to stay informed ( ), but most porn I've seen moves through the usual sequence - oral sex would be performed by both parties, then sex in various positions. I don't see any sort of bias in how it's filmed. Obviously, there's all sorts of porn out there and some may well be 'degrading', but there's so much porn it's hard to generalise - and I suspect many people just pick the stuff that suits their POV/argument.

 

[mentalchik]

Don't know anything about Slane Girl and it's too late tonight to do any research.

However, quick couple of points.

Bookings to Magaluf are something like 10% up. Are we to assume these are all or mostly men? Has there been a female response "we're no longer going on a Carnage tour"?

I don't really agree with your evaluation of prOn. Okay, I'm a fairly vanilla guy who just views porn occasionally to stay informed ( ), but most porn I've seen moves through the usual sequence - oral sex would be performed by both parties, then sex in various positions. I don't see any sort of bias in how it's filmed. Obviously, there's all sorts of porn out there and some may well be 'degrading', but there's so much porn it's hard to generalise - and I suspect many people just pick the stuff that suits their POV/argument.

Oh the irony........


and again.....really ? you really don't see that mainstream hardcore porn is heavily biased towards the 'male' (supposed) appetite ?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Oh the irony........


and again.....really ? you really don't see that mainstream hardcore porn is heavily biased towards the 'male' (supposed) appetite ?

I was including myself in the highlighted bit.

I dunno, what's mainstream porn? Why do you need to watch mainstream (rather than non-mainstream) porn? What would porn look like if it was made for women rather than guys? (50 Shades of Grey, anyone? ) You go to a porn site and, so I'm told, there are loads of categories - something for everyone, stuff you probably hadn't even thought of - so I don't really get the whole 'this is what porn is like' thing.

 

[equationgirl]

If the guys' faces weren't in the video, they could hardly be identified in the press, could they? The girl got a bad deal there, but in terms of what the public think of the parties involved, I'd be surprised if most thought 'heroes' and 'slut'. Most people I suspect would find the behaviour of all concerned questionable and not really a good reflection on Brits abroad. (Certainly that's what a few of my female colleagues were thinking; one of them looked slightly ashamed announcing to us she's off to Magaluf on holiday. )

'She got a bad deal' and 'questionable' ? That's how you're describing this? You have completely missed the point as explained upthread.

And if you think most people didn't think 'heros' or 'slut' about the people involved in this incident then you are incredibly naive.

 

[mentalchik]

It's a total waste of time............just banging one's head against a brick wall.............my 21 yr old son would hold a better debate on this subject than JV

 

[DotCommunist]

I was including myself in the highlighted bit.

I dunno, what's mainstream porn? Why do you need to watch mainstream (rather than non-mainstream) porn? What would porn look like if it was made for women rather than guys? (50 Shades of Grey, anyone? ) You go to a porn site and, so I'm told, there are loads of categories - something for everyone, stuff you probably hadn't even thought of - so I don't really get the whole 'this is what porn is like' thing.

mainstream porn is what it is you fucking idiot- all you are doing is your usual goalpost running bullshit. You really need to keep the fuck off of threads involving human interaction since you are quite clearly some sort of sociopathic dickweed who likes winding women up. So why not just fuck off? you mentioned other boards earlier. Stick to those and bother this one no more because basically everyone including me has had it to *here* with your shitwitted non-reasoning false-equivalence drawing bellendry

Just go away. Get to fuck. You aren't interested in debate. You are simply a tool and should go away. Do so.

 

[Nylock]

It's a total waste of time............just banging one's head against a brick wall.............my 21 yr old son would hold a better debate on this subject than JV

Just caught up on the thread and JV's posts are tragic at best... The most recent ones about porn being particularly special...

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Just caught up on the thread and JV's posts are tragic at best... The most recent ones about porn being particularly special...

You do realise what 'special' means in this context? But will EG pull you up on it?

 

[mentalchik]

You do realise what 'special' means in this context? But will EG pull you up on it?

If i get what you are insinuating i think you are talking out of your arse...it doesn't read like that at all.............

 

[toggle]

It's a total waste of time............just banging one's head against a brick wall.............my 21 yr old son would hold a better debate on this subject than JV

i'd say similar for my 16 year old.


but he wouldn't actually be arguing, cause he would already get it. i mean jeez, if the 16 year old aspie kid thaty rarely takes his nose out of online games long enough to notice there's an actual world out there can get this shit, then i reckon everyone here should manage it.

mainstream porn is what it is you fucking idiot- all you are doing is your usual goalpost running bullshit. You really need to keep the fuck off of threads involving human interaction since you are quite clearly some sort of sociopathic dickweed who likes winding women up. So why not just fuck off? you mentioned other boards earlier. Stick to those and bother this one no more because basically everyone including me has had it to *here* with your shitwitted non-reasoning false-equivalence drawing bellendry

Just go away. Get to fuck. You aren't interested in debate. You are simply a tool and should go away. Do so.

careful, he will interpret this as a PM of support about how hard done by he is and how those nasty women who don't know their place attack him all the time

 

[equationgirl]

You do realise what 'special' means in this context? But will EG pull you up on it?

Oh grow up.

 

[Nylock]

You do realise what 'special' means in this context? But will EG pull you up on it?

If i'd have put the word [special] up in scare quotes on my original posting (like you did in your reply), then you may have a point. Which is exactly why I didn't as i know what that implies.

Good effort though

 

[Betsy]

From The Independent...

"Magaluf girl" bar ordered to pay €55,000 fine following 'mamading' video investigation.

The bar where an 18-year old was filmed performing a sex act on multiple men will have to close its doors for a year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ing-mamading-video-investigation-9629161.html

 

[Awesome Wells]

From The Independent...

"Magaluf girl" bar ordered to pay €55,000 fine following 'mamading' video investigation.

The bar where an 18-year old was filmed performing a sex act on multiple men will have to close its doors for a year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ing-mamading-video-investigation-9629161.html

Oh dear, how sad for them.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Spats? Call them what they are, disagreements, fights, slanging matches whatever. But spats?

You swear, you use personal insults too, and rounding on a poster not to mention snide comments. Most of the posters on urban do when the subject matter is contentious or emotions run high, especially when some is pushing them to the limits of their patience and beyond. I'm not perfect nor have I ever claimed to be, and if a poster is obviously posting utterly uniformed shit and is refusing to change their mind despite evidence from other posters, here on urban they will be pulled up on it.

Leave me out of your disagreement with someone else.

Ps. "gendersnot" made me lol a bit

Co-incidentally there's a New York graffiti writer going by the name of Earsnot - He's a pretty tough character from what I've read but he's also openly gay - And the graffiti world can be very homophobic. Anyway, there's some speculation as to whether he got his name from the idea that gender/sexuality is between the "ears not" the legs.

 

[Tankus]

What was the name of the drink/holiday ?