This really is Irans "happy time" the bastards.

[slaar]

What's the saying? "Fooled once, shame on you. Fooled twice, shame on me". There's an awful of of spin, guff and bluster coming from the media visa vis Iran and all of it has been designed to protray Iran as 'evil'. Now we have these stories (because that's what they are) about Iranian weapons being found in Iraq.

Yeah, by "most people" I unfortunately don't include the New York Times. Or indeed just about every other media source. The Independent at least had the right idea this morning; they may be tediously hyperbolic at times, but at times like this that may be what's necessary:

http://www.independent.co.uk/

 

[nino_savatte]

The media should cease reporting anything from 'nameless officials'.

Trés typique!

 

[moono]

For all the ferocity of the rhetoric, with demonstrators chanting: "Death to America! Death to England! Death to Israel!" the mood was relaxed and upbeat.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2261527.ece

Scottish and Welsh independence, anybody ?

 

[Greebozz]

You should be working for Newsmax or Fox News. Gonna enlist are you? Or are you another armchair warrior?

Hate, hate, hate, that's what this is all about.

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely. I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

Incidentally insulting me takes as much bravery as challenging a picture of Bruce Lee that is hanging on a wall, to a fight. As this is a message board.

Interesting that you have nothing to say about howling mobs are brainwashed nationalistic religious fanatics, and how is Iran's multicultural society, how are there human rights? You dare to call me a hater, our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of by those who want to do Britain harm. I would dare to say the majority of British people are getting more and more angry with the feeling that there is an enemy within.

 

[likesfish]

any sort of iraninan thrust towards basra would be a glorious british massacre like rourkes drift .
Our brave lads hunker down in the palace while the USAF turns Irans army into to scarp metal
the spams may be quite crap at low intenstity warfare.
but full on kill every thing mode there the undisputed masters

failing that theres trident its a flat underpopulated desert don'tthink the iraninians are that stupid

 

[nino_savatte]

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely. I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

Incidentally insulting me takes as much bravery as challenging a picture of Bruce Lee that is hanging on a wall, to a fight. As this is a message board.

Interesting that you have nothing to say about howling mobs are brainwashed nationalistic religious fanatics, and how is Iran's multicultural society, how are there human rights? You dare to call me a hater, our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of by those who want to do Britain harm. I would dare to say the majority of British people are getting more and more angry with the feeling that there is an enemy within.

Beg your pardon?

All you're doing is banging a war drum and like all armchair warriors you won't get off your fat backsides and put your money where your mouth is. You're a gutless coward and big mouth.

Your rant of an "enemy within" is characteristic of the paranoid tendencies of statists, whose only justification for their continued existence is to issue threats to other countries and fabricate stories about how "they want to destroy our way of life" in order to marshall the public mind to accept perpetual war as a normal, rational state of affairs.

So who are these hordes of filthy people who want to do us harm? Who are these "British people" of whom you speak? Do you speak for the entire nation? You're fucking delusional.

 

[slaar]

I would also point to the 2 million British people who got off their backsides and protested against the proposed invasion of Iraq, which has been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely. I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

Incidentally insulting me takes as much bravery as challenging a picture of Bruce Lee that is hanging on a wall, to a fight. As this is a message board.

Interesting that you have nothing to say about howling mobs are brainwashed nationalistic religious fanatics, and how is Iran's multicultural society, how are there human rights? You dare to call me a hater, our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of by those who want to do Britain harm. I would dare to say the majority of British people are getting more and more angry with the feeling that there is an enemy within.

Erm...

Remind me again whose troops are where and why?

 

[Greebozz]

Beg your pardon?

All you're doing is banging a war drum and like all armchair warriors you won't get off your fat backsides and put your money where your mouth is. You're a gutless coward and big mouth.

Your rant of an "enemy within" is characteristic of the paranoid tendencies of statists, whose only justification for their continued existence is to issue threats to other countries and fabricate stories about how "they want to destroy our way of life" in order to marshall the public mind to accept perpetual war as a normal, rational state of affairs.

So who are these hordes of filthy people who want to do us harm? Who are these "British people" of whom you speak? Do you speak for the entire nation? You're fucking delusional.

Only if there was legal articles of civil war declared I would happily lay down my life to fight against your beliefs, And goals of militant Islam.

The one thing that requires no courage is making personal insulting on a message forum. As I mentioned before it is like challenging a photograph of someone to a fight. That is why I never initiate personal attacks on message boards.

If you live anywhere near I do, I would like to meet you for a chat, in a public place, totally peacefully, no menace, or threat whatsoever. I give you my word on that. I live in Brighton pleased pm me if you would like to meet. It would be totally safe, but would you have the courage to do it?, you have questioned my courage and it would take guts for me to meet you, so how about it?

 

[nino_savatte]

Only if there was legal articles of civil war declared I would happily lay down my life to fight against your beliefs, And goals of militant Islam.

The one thing that requires no courage is making personal insulting on a message forum. As I mentioned before it is like challenging a photograph of someone to a fight. That is why I never initiate personal attacks on message boards.

If you live anywhere near I do, I would like to meet you for a chat, in a public place, totally peacefully, no menace, or threat whatsoever. I give you my word on that. I live in Brighton pleased pm me if you would like to meet. It would be totally safe, but would you have the courage to do it?, you have questioned my courage and it would take guts for me to meet you, so how about it?

You're not making any sense, pal. "My beliefs and goals of militan Islam"? What the fuck are you talking about? Your grammar stinks too btw.

 

[Greebozz]

You're not making any sense, pal. "My beliefs and goals of militan Islam"? What the fuck are you talking about? Your grammar stinks too btw.

I am waiting for your answer.

 

[nino_savatte]

I am waiting for your answer.

You got your answer numbnuts and no, I have no desire to meet you. I try to avoid nationalists, nazis, fascists, racists and apologists for mass murder wherever I can.

All you can do is demand more war based on the things you've seen and heard in the media. Pathetic.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Only if there was legal articles of civil war declared I would happily lay down my life to fight against your beliefs...

You'd 'lay down your life' to fight the belief (shared by most here and 'militant islam', btw) that US and UK troops should withdraw from the area?

If you're prepared to die to 'fight that belief', hadn't you better be a little clearer on why you think they should stay there?

Wouldn't want to see you die for *nothing*.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Actually, in your OP you state:

I basically I think they are tossers and that we should have nothing to do with them.

Which indicates that you sort of agree that removing our troops from the area is a good idea.

Did you ever wonder what they are doing there in the first place?

 

[TAE]

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely.

Oh dear. Are you against freedom of speech?

I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

There is zero credible evidence that Iran is supplying arms to anyone in Iraq, but are you against arms exports? Perhaps you should join the campaign against the arms trade? Or is it only wrong if our troops do the dying?

... our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of ...

Yes, by Blair & co

 

[ViolentPanda]

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely. I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

I see you've adopted your usual habit of pontificating on a subject you have little understanding of.
I do so love it when you do this. It's entertaining seeing you have your arse kicked all over the boards.

Here's a thought to ponder on. Iran and Iraq had a long and bloody war which involved much taking and losing of each others' territories. Given that Iran and Iraq were supplied with much the same weaponry by their respective suppliers, they were able to overrun and use each others' ammo dumps with impunity.
Iranian markings on ordnance prove very little. You'd doubtless find plenty of mortar bombs, grenades, RPGs and small-arms ammo in Iran with Iraqi markings on.

Incidentally insulting me takes as much bravery as challenging a picture of Bruce Lee that is hanging on a wall, to a fight. As this is a message board.

However, insulting you, given your habit of talking out of your arse, is appropriate behaviour.

Interesting that you have nothing to say about howling mobs are brainwashed nationalistic religious fanatics, and how is Iran's multicultural society, how are there human rights? You dare to call me a hater, our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of by those who want to do Britain harm. I would dare to say the majority of British people are getting more and more angry with the feeling that there is an enemy within.

A little reading of Iran/Persia's 20th century history would give you plenty of insight into the "howling mobes" you're deriding.

As to the "enemy within" schtick, it was tired and pathetic when Thatcher used it to describe trades unions, so your use of it borders on the slapstick.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Only if there was legal articles of civil war declared I would happily lay down my life to fight against your beliefs, And goals of militant Islam.

The one thing that requires no courage is making personal insulting on a message forum. As I mentioned before it is like challenging a photograph of someone to a fight. That is why I never initiate personal attacks on message boards.

If you live anywhere near I do, I would like to meet you for a chat, in a public place, totally peacefully, no menace, or threat whatsoever. I give you my word on that. I live in Brighton pleased pm me if you would like to meet. It would be totally safe, but would you have the courage to do it?, you have questioned my courage and it would take guts for me to meet you, so how about it?

Let me guess, you'll be wearing a black raincoat with a red rose in the buttonhole?

Please tell me why anyone would dignify your hilarious sub-tabloid bursts of outrage with a train journey to Bedsitland-on-Sea? A "test of courage" more appropriate to your hate-spiels against Iran would surely be enrolment in a British infantry regt (I recommend the Light Infantry, we're the scum of the earth, and proud of it)?

 

[zoltan]

They really seen to be holding all the trump cards at the moment. Firstly they are ultra nationalistic and think they are the bees knees which is annoying. They think they are so clever over their nuclear "negotiations". Leading the rest of the world on a merry dance. Their whole status in the world is based on the fluke of having oil. And now they are helping and are implicated in the killing of our troops.

British people do not gather in howling mobs and burn pictures of Mr dinner jacket. But this assisting in the killing and wounding of our troops is not going to be forgotten by the British people.

I basically I think they are tossers and that we should have nothing to do with them.

Im not jumping on the bandwagon here, but you sound like 1980's Viz charachter Billy Britain.

 

[ska invita]

British forces in Basra have seized mortar bombs with Iranian markings. But would you blame the Iranians for making a little mischief in Iraq. This is Iran's big chance to become the regional power it thinks it deserves to be.

From what I gather the whole area is awash with Iranian weapons since the Iran v Iraq war - it is just as likely that Sunni will be using Iranian weapons as Shia. Just as Afghani's often have Russian weaponry.

That said it would be suprising if Iran wasnt trying to arm its interests, but there is no evidence of this as yet: the US "evidence" amounts to nothing more than finding Al-Qaeda with US weapons and claiming that the US is arming Al-Q. I think that policy was dropped a little while back!

 

[ViolentPanda]

From what I gather the whole area is awash with Iranian weapons since the Iran v Iraq war - it is just as likely that Sunni will be using Iranian weapons as Shia. Just as Afghani's often have Russian weaponry.

Yep, as I said in one of my replies to Greebozz.

The small arms and small ordnance used by both sides was from the same pattern (Sov-blok), even when it was produced by different countries, and was in standard WP calibres.

 

[moono]

Greebozz;

You are under the mistaken belief that traitors to Britain and enemy propagandists will be tolerated indefinitely. I predict your life is going to get harder and harder if you have the balls to go public defending Iran and their implication in the killing of British troops.

Incidentally insulting me takes as much bravery as challenging a picture of Bruce Lee that is hanging on a wall, to a fight. As this is a message board.

Interesting that you have nothing to say about howling mobs are brainwashed nationalistic religious fanatics, and how is Iran's multicultural society, how are there human rights? You dare to call me a hater, our countries goodwill and freedoms are being taken advantage of by those who want to do Britain harm. I would dare to say the majority of British people are getting more and more angry with the feeling that there is an enemy within.

I'd say that that was wishful thinking. The Brit military chiefs are already aware that Blair and the Attorney General have conspired to expose them to prosecution in the international courts. It's an illegal war.

Further, it's rank hypocrisy to accuse any other State of INTERFERING in Iraq. Lol. After what the Brits and the US have done it's open season on anything that moves, irrespective of which uniform it's wearing. If the Iranians were supplying ordnance to Sunnis, which is nonsense anyway, they have more right, as neighbours, to be taking an active part in the future of Iraq, more right than Brits or Americans.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

any sort of iraninan thrust towards basra would be a glorious british massacre like rourkes drift .
Our brave lads hunker down in the palace while the USAF turns Irans army into to scarp metal
the spams may be quite crap at low intenstity warfare.
but full on kill every thing mode there the undisputed masters

failing that theres trident its a flat underpopulated desert don'tthink the iraninians are that stupid

I'm sure what you say is quite right, assuming that they e.g. attempted a blitzkreig style attack with their couple of hundred rusty old tanks.

I wasn't being entirely clear above though. What I was worried about was more in the nature of a few hundred thousand angry locals getting it into their heads, perhaps with clandestine assistance from elements of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, to take revenge on behalf of their co-religionists for the US blasting the shit out of Iran and slaughtering thousands of civilians.

Unless hopelessly mismanaged, this would be unlikely to result in a re-run of the Afghan Retreat, but it would certainly be highly unpleasant even so.

 

[Greebozz]

Just all ask yourself, if al Qaeda got their hands on an Iranian made nuclear weapons, would they use it against Britain or the USA. E.g. 9/11 with a nuclear bomb. Iran is extremely anti America as children grow up their toys and games portray the US as the "great Satan". Every worker, every technician every scientist that works on their nuclear programme is going to be very very anti America as well.

The entire future of the Western world is going to be based on whether al Qaeda can at some point get their hands on nuclear weapons. Perhaps we can trust in al Qaeda's level headedness and compassion, and at least they are better than those nasty Americans, isn't that right gang.

 

[moono]

Just all ask yourself, if al Qaeda got their hands on an Iranian made nuclear weapons

Terrible. They might launch them from the al-Qaeda spacestation and obliterate the nice Pentagon.

 

[zoltan]

Greeboz,
have a fuckin word with yourself - painting all of Iran as slavering anti american murderers is shite and you know it.

try to distinguish the rhetoric from the reality.

 

[nino_savatte]

Just all ask yourself, if al Qaeda got their hands on an Iranian made nuclear weapons, would they use it against Britain or the USA. E.g. 9/11 with a nuclear bomb. Iran is extremely anti America as children grow up their toys and games portray the US as the "great Satan". Every worker, every technician every scientist that works on their nuclear programme is going to be very very anti America as well.

The entire future of the Western world is going to be based on whether al Qaeda can at some point get their hands on nuclear weapons. Perhaps we can trust in al Qaeda's level headedness and compassion, and at least they are better than those nasty Americans, isn't that right gang.

The government likes folk like you: very paranoid and more than willing to accept its lies that Iran is the number one evil in the world. Such an easy mind to mould and manipulate.

I take it you were one of those who swallowed the lie that Iraq had WMD and that we were in imminent danger of attack from Iraq's well equipped military.

 

[slaar]

Just all ask yourself, if al Qaeda got their hands on an Iranian made nuclear weapons, would they use it against Britain or the USA. E.g. 9/11 with a nuclear bomb. Iran is extremely anti America as children grow up their toys and games portray the US as the "great Satan". Every worker, every technician every scientist that works on their nuclear programme is going to be very very anti America as well.

The entire future of the Western world is going to be based on whether al Qaeda can at some point get their hands on nuclear weapons. Perhaps we can trust in al Qaeda's level headedness and compassion, and at least they are better than those nasty Americans, isn't that right gang.

You do know that the Iranians hate Al Qaeda even more than we do, don't you?

Some reading is in order for you I think.

 

[Greebozz]

There seem to be two types of poster on this thread, those who are Moslem, and care nothing for non Islamic Britain. Who would like to see Britain humiliated, damaged and brought to its knees by a terrorist event. Incidentally If there is more terrorism, at some point down the line, every Moslem living in Britain will have to swear on the holy Koran not to harm Britain by terrorism.

The other kind, are consumed by self hatred for their own country, who are only focused on bitter class or political disputes, their hatred for Blair and Bush has become so fetishised that anyone as long as they are an enemy of Bush or Blair are viewed as friends and brothers in arms. All the benefits, the privileges of Britain's history and society by invisible to them, they criticise everything, and are addicted to acheavingthe smug moral high ground, which one can only take, if you have no power or responsibility.

Because Iran is that a repressive state very little of the bad news and unsavoury oppression is talked about much in the media. So in many ways they are out of mind. And are usually not the subject for dinner party chatter, whereas criticising Bush is.

 

[nino_savatte]

There's one type of poster on this thread that I cannot stand: a paranoid bigot who lives in the past and dreams of killing those who don't look, think, dress or feel the same as he does. he's the sort of person who accepts, without question, the lies and disinformation about other countries. He's a person who lacks critical faculties and hasn't the intelligence or wit to see beyond rhetoric. His is a world populated by stereotypes who stalk him and wish him harm. His is a world of violence, suffering and decay. His life is a miserable lie and he gets his kicks from watching others suffer...so long as they aren;t white and 'British'.

He is thick, ignorant and quite possibly a card-carrying member of an extreme right wing party.

 

[Greebozz]

You do know that the Iranians hate Al Qaeda even more than we do, don't you?

Some reading is in order for you I think.

Please excuse my naivety, I thought they disliked America more.