This Muslim cartoon and Iran business, is so dam depressing.

[Greebozz]

You'll find similar texts in the bible. And plenty in the Koran saying that Jews and Christians are 'people of the book' who should be respected. Similarly passages saying that those who do good things will be rewarded. It's contradictory, like any religious text.

In my view The Koran has a very much "us and them" feel, Koran has about Twenty times more hell an damnation to sinners and unbelievers than the Bible.

Does not quite square with the President of Iran saying he would like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

The real reasons that some Muslims might have a problem with West are Iraq, Palestine, Abu Graib, Guantanamo, Rendition, Belmarsh, Bagram, evidence from torture, detention without trial, stop and search, shoot to kill etc etc etc..

I agree totally there has been appalling things happen to Muslims, but can any bridges be built? Is there a means of forgiveness in Islam? Or is it going to be permanent hatred fetishised.

Incidentally this printing of the cartoons was not a schoolboy prank, The Danes had one of there well known film makers stabbed in the street, by a fanatic. That is quite offensive.

The cartoons was a probably misguide attempt to smoke out this issue, to say look what fanatics they are. Muslims I believe are totally blinkered about this. Anything that does not agree with self righteousness is blanked out.

 

[magneze]

Greebozz, I suggest you read up on the subject a lot more before posting more crap. It was a Dutch film maker: Theo Van Gogh.

 

[Greebozz]

Greebozz, I suggest you read up on the subject a lot more before posting more crap. It was a Dutch film maker: Theo Van Gogh.

Yes you are quite right, I acknowledge my mistake. i don't think it effect the point I am making.

Where are you coming from on this? do you have a particular interest in this subject?

I would be grateful if you would not snipe from the sidelines and comment on the substantive points I am making please.

With respect I am trying to smoke you out a bit like the publishing of those cartoons, lets see what you have on the subject.

 

[magneze]

Yes you are quite right, I acknowledge my mistake. i don't think it effect the point I am making.

Where are you coming from on this? do you have a particular interest in this subject?

I would be grateful if you would not snipe from the sidelines and comment on the substantive points I am making please.

With respect I am trying to smoke you out a bit like the publishing of those cartoons, lets see what you have on the subject.

Maybe you'd like to elaborate on the point you're making.

What I see from you is a lot of uninformed rubbish and unsubstantiated claims (especially in your first post) and I've pointed those out - that's quite different from sniping from the sidelines.

As I already mentioned, there are shitloads of other threads where I've talked about the Muslim cartoon. Read them yourself.

 

[Greebozz]

Taken this post out, don't what to get sucked into an argument.

 

[Nevu]

Maybe you'd like to elaborate on the point you're making.

What I see from you is a lot of uninformed rubbish and unsubstantiated claims (especially in your first post) and I've pointed those out - that's quite different from sniping from the sidelines.

As I already mentioned, there are shitloads of other threads where I've talked about the Muslim cartoon. Read them yourself.

Muslims are just like all other sleazy fukin class ridden shitters on this potentially glorious planet. Some will be liberal and do science along with integration ( we like that!) Others will steer you away from their daughters (especially if your Jamaican) whilst happy selling you porn and booze. In that respect they are just like their scumbag torry ( and of course new labour) land owning host. What the problem ? Noncey Vicars mumbling in empty churches or balistic village idiot Imams keeping their young lads on the straight and narrow with baggy pants and anti west vitriol. They are all fuckwits gibbering noncense from ancient books (of course whilst using microsoft products and benefiting from modern science/medecine etc etc) pushing mumbo jumbo. They all say their religion is the one of peace - before they bless young fools who bomb inocents, whether by bomb belts or f16's.

Print the cartoons every day in every newspaper about every bigot religion and its shit effect on the future of this tiny planet in space.

They all stink of their own rhetoric as much as countries with borders do. im bam gib lam manyamma sham bam god bless ye !!

 

[magneze]

Thanks for that.

 

[Nevu]

So, we are agreed. Let all the Muslim Brothers who agitate and all the fuckwit hosts who subjugate wake up, smell the coffee and pass round the cup whilst asking together as blood bearing humans - How best to live in this world with all manner of silly stories from the ejjits who bore us ? ( and the fekkers who bore them etc etc ) and how best to leave something behind for the little people that's not based on war and hatred instead of what we do, which is disapearing up the past arses of our respective demonic shitarse cultures. Allez maintenant !! the future is so bright the auld profits (an I mean profits) Mohamed and Jesus himself have their shades on . . Fair play to them.

 

[magneze]

You should do standup. Seriously.

 

[gorski]

This is a great little link!!!

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/2/5/132139/4838 - more like Saudi Arabia...

 

[Nevu]

You should do standup. Seriously.

Standup - If its a meta aphetamine - I wont do it, If its a religion - I wont do it. Otherwise, if its a political party, I would want assurances that the leader has not made affiliations with religious bigots who detest gays, young women with split skirts or small mammals .And of couse that he or she would not appear on big celebrity brother (or sister) with gays, Christians, Muslim's, Hindu's, Seek's, Hippy fekkers who are witches or new age bastards, non believers, chicks with dicks, filleys with willeys or any other concoction of western scum detritus. Otherwise, count me in !

 

[magneze]

<dies>

 

[FridgeMagnet]

A meta amphetamine? Is that like an amphetamine that just keeps itself awake?

 

[Nevu]

<dies>

<RIP>

 

[Nevu]

A meta amphetamine? Is that like an amphetamine that just keeps itself awake?

There is no self. There is only the one. The one true "@@@@@" - blessed be peace upon his /her's soul. And dont be makin fekin cartoons ye infidel ejjit !

 

[Azrael23]

There is no self. There is only the one.

Thats very true, we are all interlinked by a singular unified energy field.

ZP field.

 

[scott_forester]

survey of Muslim in the UK that 32% of Muslims under 30 years old thought of Bin Laden as a hero

Is suspect a similar survey of middle class 25 year old white kids would produce the same result for 50 cent.

 

[soulman]

I don't see the problem

 

[JHE]

Careful - that cartoon may be deeply offensive.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Garbage nonsense rubbish trash junk effluent idiocy stupidity bunkum hokum foolishness lies lies lies lies lies lies

Samuel Huntingdon's "Clash of Civilisations" thesis is nonsense. People can live harmoniously with neighbours who have different cultures. It happens everyday, everywhere. .

It wasn't too evident in Beirut when they burned that embassy.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

In an Internet statement, the Islamic Army of Iraq, which has claimed responsibility for killing foreign hostages, urged militants to kidnap Danes and "cut them into as many pieces as the number of newspapers that printed the cartoons".

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62447

 

[mutley]

In an Internet statement, the Islamic Army of Iraq, which has claimed responsibility for killing foreign hostages, urged militants to kidnap Danes and "cut them into as many pieces as the number of newspapers that printed the cartoons".

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62447

You've got to admire their creative use of language..

 

[JimPage]

whatever- and this is something that many of the sunday broadsheets mentioned- there will be one winner here- the BNP

I woudl expect them to be deciding as to exactly which format to publish the cartoons in in the very near future- to stir things up even more

 

[dennisr]

whatever- and this is something that many of the sunday broadsheets mentioned- there will be one winner here- the BNP. I woudl expect them to be deciding as to exactly which format to publish the cartoons in in the very near future- to stir things up even more

fully agree. Just as an asside, got this from another bulletin board:

"As turns out from the Danish Wikipedia encyclopaedia, the World Socialist Web Site, and other sources, in the 1920s and 1930s, Danish paper Jyllands-Posten was infamous for its affinity for Italian
fascism and the German Nazi dictatorship.

In 1933, it argued for the introduction of a dictatorship in Denmark. Last September, the newspaper asked forty cartoonists to draw images of the Prophet Muhammad ... Spelling out the provocative and inflammatory aim of this exercise, the chief editor said its purpose was "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."

Read whole article at: http://dearkitty.modblog.com/core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=807007 "

 

[soulman]

fully agree. Just as an asside, got this from another bulletin board:

"As turns out from the Danish Wikipedia encyclopaedia, the World Socialist Web Site, and other sources, in the 1920s and 1930s, Danish paper Jyllands-Posten was infamous for its affinity for Italian
fascism and the German Nazi dictatorship.

In 1933, it argued for the introduction of a dictatorship in Denmark. Last September, the newspaper asked forty cartoonists to draw images of the Prophet Muhammad ... Spelling out the provocative and inflammatory aim of this exercise, the chief editor said its purpose was "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."

Read whole article at: http://dearkitty.modblog.com/core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=807007 "

Interesting post dennisr. Have you any more info about the editorial/ownership line of that particular newspaper now, 63 years on?

I'm not sure what's inflammatory about the statement "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues." It appears to be a statement of fact. The Guardian and other British newspapers have explained in smug editorials that they believed it would not be appropriate to publish a cartoon satirising this religious icon. Why not?

As far as I'm concerned all religions and ideologies should be open to satirising and imo ridicule, the more the better. It's the apologists for censorship around religion and ideology who seem to be fuelling hatred.

 

[exosculate]

Interesting post dennisr. Have you any more info about the editorial/ownership line of that particular newspaper now, 63 years on?

I'm not sure what's inflammatory about the statement "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues." It appears to be a statement of fact. The Guardian and other British newspapers have explained in smug editorials that they believed it would not be appropriate to publish a cartoon satirising this religious icon. Why not?

As far as I'm concerned all religions and ideologies should be open to satirising and imo ridicule, the more the better. It's the apologists for censorship around religion and ideology who seem to be fuelling hatred.

Because the editors etc are frightened of having their arses capped etc.

 

[dennisr]

Interesting post dennisr. Have you any more info about the editorial/ownership line of that particular newspaper now, 63 years on?

To be frank mate - no more info as yet and not sure how reliable that is which is why i simply qouted it. I am looking at the mo (got a danish speaking friend to find more info).

 

[editor]

I would be grateful if you would not snipe from the sidelines and comment on the substantive points I am making please.

Hmmm. That sounds familiar....

<editor heads off to admin panel>

 

[Engineer]

I think people should get this in perspective. The numbers of people carrying placards saying 'kill all kaffirs' or whatever is absolutely tiny. They're even less representative of Muslims than the BNP are of white people.

A much wider number of Muslims are deeply offended by the cartoons, and would rather that they weren't published.

I don't see what good is served by publishing them. It's not the 'right to free speech' but the 'right to be abusive' that we're talking about.

if you are saying that we do not have the right to be abusive then do you think that Muslims should not Burn US Flags (which many Americans find highly offensive) That people on the left in this country shopuld not insult people merely because they have been born to wealthy backgrounds and have certain accents ? That muslims (again) who destroy bibles and churches are hypocrites if those muslims attack Denmark for allowing cartoons ?

also the equivilant of Muslims who display placards saying 'kill all Kaffir' would be equivalent to all those racists who are prapared to have placards saying 'kill all non whites' which is only a portion of the BNP. I suspect that most BNP supporters would only go so far as to want non whites to be deported not murdered -indeed the muslim to British Native non muslim is about 30-1

HizB' Tahrir is an extremist group every bit as appalling as the BNP and managed to get 400 protestors to display their obscene placards

so with around 400 protesters that would mean that the BNP would have to mobilise 12,000 protesters to get an equivilence - I dont think they have ever got even a tenth of that onto a demonstration (anyone know the largest figures they have gotten?)

 

[magneze]

400 protestors? ALL carrying obscene placards? Are you sure about that?