ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
energy said:
If an "anti-Zionist" argues that Israel should be utterly destroyed then they're not actually an anti-Zionist, they're an extremist and an anti-Semite with a very poor grasp of history.
"This land was given to us by God"
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If an "anti-Zionist" argues that Israel should be utterly destroyed then they're not actually an anti-Zionist, they're an extremist and an anti-Semite with a very poor grasp of history.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
cemertyone said:Thats pure and utter shite...
Care to elaborate? Are you saying that there is no comparison between some muslims who believe Israel should be razed to the ground and all jews should be killed and say an Israeli who thinks all muslims are bombers.
Im fascinated to hear this answer.
parallelepipete
Aelod cysylltiol y Taliban Cymraeg
Hmmm... no-one's picked up on the error in this statement after a whole fortnight?Johnny Canuck2 said:
ViolentPanda's pithy comment was about the God of the Jews and the Jews' willingness to believe in him, not about the head of state of Israel and Israeli citizens' support for his policies. Although this is hardly a novel observation, there are many Jews who are not Israeli, and many Israelis who are not Jews. So where's 'racist sentiment' in VP's post that you detected?
I could see that a devout Jew might claim an 'insult to his/her religion', or if really wound up, 'religious hatred'. However given the cultural self-criticism you hear in Jewish comedy it might even go down well at a stand-up night (possibly). And although VP's description of the Judaeo-Christian God made me laugh, it seems a very pertinent comment, especially w.r.t. the OT, to this U75er who was raised a Catholic.
But since you state that you don't believe in this particular deity, you can't claim to have taken offence from a religious PoV either.
So what caused you offence about this post?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
parallelepipete said:Hmmm... no-one's picked up on the error in this statement after a whole fortnight?
ViolentPanda's pithy comment was about the God of the Jews and the Jews' willingness to believe in him, not about the head of state of Israel and Israeli citizens' support for his policies. Although this is hardly a novel observation, there are many Jews who are not Israeli, and many Israelis who are not Jews. So where's 'racist sentiment' in VP's post that you detected?
I could see that a devout Jew might claim an 'insult to his/her religion', or if really wound up, 'religious hatred'. However given the cultural self-criticism you hear in Jewish comedy it might even go down well at a stand-up night (possibly). And although VP's description of the Judaeo-Christian God made me laugh, it seems a very pertinent comment, especially w.r.t. the OT, to this U75er who was raised a Catholic.
But since you state that you don't believe in this particular deity, you can't claim to have taken offence from a religious PoV either.
So what caused you offence about this post?
Simple. Johnny doesn't like to be contradicted or gainsaid.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
welshDJ said:Care to elaborate? Are you saying that there is no comparison between some muslims who believe Israel should be razed to the ground and all jews should be killed and say an Israeli who thinks all muslims are bombers.
Im fascinated to hear this answer.
see the other post our kid....
Reply...
What is your point genius? Almost all the world's 1 billion plus Muslims clam that any "waqf" is etrernally Islamic land. thereofe, Spain is property of Muslims. A practice scarffed from Romans and Greeks is the rationale behind the claim to Jerusalm , which is not mentioned anywheree in the 'Qu'ran and yet it is thre driving rationale for millions [if not more] of bloodthirsty Muslims in their eternal quest to rid Jerusalem, a city that has always had a Jewish majorty, of its rightful inhabitants. Yet, you take a tiny demographic out of Gaza and make waves? Typical. Hate to be the one to bring it up but after all you geniuses swaore up and down how it would devolve intoa b loody civil war over Gaza, it ended as I predicted. Sad however to see the same wasted energy making worthless comments.
Theologically, those quoted Gazan Jews were absolutely correct. Geopolitcally however they are way out of the loop...Hence the reson so many quitely stromed off.
What is your point genius? Almost all the world's 1 billion plus Muslims clam that any "waqf" is etrernally Islamic land. thereofe, Spain is property of Muslims. A practice scarffed from Romans and Greeks is the rationale behind the claim to Jerusalm , which is not mentioned anywheree in the 'Qu'ran and yet it is thre driving rationale for millions [if not more] of bloodthirsty Muslims in their eternal quest to rid Jerusalem, a city that has always had a Jewish majorty, of its rightful inhabitants. Yet, you take a tiny demographic out of Gaza and make waves? Typical. Hate to be the one to bring it up but after all you geniuses swaore up and down how it would devolve intoa b loody civil war over Gaza, it ended as I predicted. Sad however to see the same wasted energy making worthless comments.
Theologically, those quoted Gazan Jews were absolutely correct. Geopolitcally however they are way out of the loop...Hence the reson so many quitely stromed off.
Reply to Loki...
Sharon was in fact the Minister of Housing in 70 when the Movement began in earnest but no Arab perosnal land was EVER taken in Gaza. All 21 Israeli "Settlements" were fully erected on EMPTY and DISUSED municipal land. Municpal in that Egypt was the munipal authority. Thereofre, Sharon did not crowd a single person. Gaza is one of the most densely populated spots on Earth but the 21 "Settlements" are far from those congested areas. Your point is moot.
Sharon was in fact the Minister of Housing in 70 when the Movement began in earnest but no Arab perosnal land was EVER taken in Gaza. All 21 Israeli "Settlements" were fully erected on EMPTY and DISUSED municipal land. Municpal in that Egypt was the munipal authority. Thereofre, Sharon did not crowd a single person. Gaza is one of the most densely populated spots on Earth but the 21 "Settlements" are far from those congested areas. Your point is moot.
Reply to Bugsy 7...
UN Resolutions have NOTHING to with any legal issues. All they are is utterances [and often manipulations] of the various member states of the organization.
As for the Brits turning over land to the Arabs after the Manadate....some was to be turned over to them in hopes that it would act as an impetus for Arab statehood [in addition to the near 60 Arab or Arab cultured nations springing up]. Sadly, only the Jews accepted these terms. The Arabs outrightly refused in hopes of taking all of thr land for their new state.
UN Resolutions have NOTHING to with any legal issues. All they are is utterances [and often manipulations] of the various member states of the organization.
As for the Brits turning over land to the Arabs after the Manadate....some was to be turned over to them in hopes that it would act as an impetus for Arab statehood [in addition to the near 60 Arab or Arab cultured nations springing up]. Sadly, only the Jews accepted these terms. The Arabs outrightly refused in hopes of taking all of thr land for their new state.
Second reply to Bugsy 7...
Glad to see the circle jerk in full swing...
Now, as to your post....the land was orginially offered to both peoples in an amicable split. The first offer gave the Arabs the overall land mass plus the overall arable landmass. Arabs refused, Jews accepted. 2 years later, in 1920, the Brits illegaly helped to create the new nation of Trans- Jordan which took most of the proposed Arab state, Many more formulations were offered but the Arabs refused all [Jews accepted almost all]. In the end, the Brits withdrew, but Jews did not engage in territorial expansion. In fact, just as the Brits lowered their flag, several Arab nations attacked en masse in hopes of totally destroying the Jewish nation. They of course did not succeed but Israel also was unable to extend its national boundries. What marginal gains were actually made were neutralised by UN Observers and the 49 Armistice.
As for "1,000,000 Arabs" having been killed by Jews...Not even 1,000,000 Arabs lived in the entire region! Please get your facts straight. Not to mention that today Israel has 1.3 million plus Arab FULL citizens who proudly call themselves Israeli.
Glad to see the circle jerk in full swing...
Now, as to your post....the land was orginially offered to both peoples in an amicable split. The first offer gave the Arabs the overall land mass plus the overall arable landmass. Arabs refused, Jews accepted. 2 years later, in 1920, the Brits illegaly helped to create the new nation of Trans- Jordan which took most of the proposed Arab state, Many more formulations were offered but the Arabs refused all [Jews accepted almost all]. In the end, the Brits withdrew, but Jews did not engage in territorial expansion. In fact, just as the Brits lowered their flag, several Arab nations attacked en masse in hopes of totally destroying the Jewish nation. They of course did not succeed but Israel also was unable to extend its national boundries. What marginal gains were actually made were neutralised by UN Observers and the 49 Armistice.
As for "1,000,000 Arabs" having been killed by Jews...Not even 1,000,000 Arabs lived in the entire region! Please get your facts straight. Not to mention that today Israel has 1.3 million plus Arab FULL citizens who proudly call themselves Israeli.
Reply to Canuck...
Since Israel has ceased to use punative demos since the most recent Sharm al Shekh negotiations, it has only done so with regrd to smuggler's conduits. In any event, the so called "action" against Catepillar was a non-issue. Noone gave a damn [and of course theyr were rightly so!].
Since Israel has ceased to use punative demos since the most recent Sharm al Shekh negotiations, it has only done so with regrd to smuggler's conduits. In any event, the so called "action" against Catepillar was a non-issue. Noone gave a damn [and of course theyr were rightly so!].
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I see Noah the Know-all has returned.
Third reply to Bugsy7...
Well over 2 thousand years before the first Arab walked into hisstory, Jews hadf been living CONTINUOUSLY in what is now called Israel. Remeber that next time you try to spread youyr expletive laden ignorance...Or I wll have to notify your nanny that you are attempting to circumvent her babysitter controls!
Well over 2 thousand years before the first Arab walked into hisstory, Jews hadf been living CONTINUOUSLY in what is now called Israel. Remeber that next time you try to spread youyr expletive laden ignorance...Or I wll have to notify your nanny that you are attempting to circumvent her babysitter controls!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rachamim18 said:
You're so masterful (
) that some people might even take your banter seriously.Until they conduct a modicum of research, that is.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Just when you though it was safe......
Anyone notice how when energy disappeared our good friend R18 reappears? It's only a matter of time before Tribal or Golem show their ugly mugs.
Anyone notice how when energy disappeared our good friend R18 reappears? It's only a matter of time before Tribal or Golem show their ugly mugs.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rachamim18 said:
Bullshit.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Bollocks, rach was arround at the same time, and the posting styles are nothing alike. You're paranoid, but then again i'm supposed to be a returned poster too according to you!nino_savatte said:
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Bob_the_lost said:
The thing about you, bob, is that you stick the boot in without thinking about where you're putting it. If you had taken the time to actually read what I posted instead of jumping to conclusions (for the sake of it) you wouldn't have replied in the manner you have. But I suspect the reason behind this post has less to do with what I have said and more about your pettiness.
What was it you said in your first post to me? "Who pissed in your coffee?" How can I possibly take a jumped up little shite like you seriously? Particularly when you clearly have trouble comprehending what you have read and take the side of pbman. But then, birds of a feather...as they say.
Your attempts at humour amuse only yourself.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bob_the_lost said:
A few points:
"tribal" turns up like the proverbial bad penny, whenever you think he might have pissed off or fallen under a milk-float.
You seem to be assuming that nino is implying that R18, golem etc are the same person. He isn't, it's all much more darkly paranoid than that!
You're letting your antipathy get in the way of rational thought. Something I expect from insecure twats like phildwyer, not from you.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Sorry, i'll keep that in mind for the future. But then again i'm a "jumped up little shite" who nino can't keep on ignore no matter how much he tries.ViolentPanda said:
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Bob_the_lost said:
Aw bless, if you can't attack me one way, you find another. FYI I've taken you off 'ignore'. A big mistake I'll admit but looking at your posts and the others you've sent for my attention, I would wager you suffer from the same psychological disorder as phildwyer: you both seem to be totally obsessed with me in a way that suggests you need help (in other words, you're a stalker). The difference between you and dwyer is that he presents himself as a serious intellectual, you don't appear to have such pretentions. In your case it is spitefulness pure and simple.
You should try psychotherapy.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
nino_savatte said:
You are the master of the blatantly obvious.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Bob_the_lost said:
And you are the master of the gloriously predictable.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
rachamim18 said:
That's strange, I could've sworn the Septics and Brits felt they needed a UN resolution before embarking upon their illegal invasion of Iraq. But I could be wrong
rachamim18 said:
This is taken from the book "How to Rewrite History in Five Easy Lessons".
The Jews were never asked their opinion on the matter. They were there illegally. The country was called Palestine. The Palestinians were nominally in possession of all of the land in the first place.
Ger your facts straight.
MsG
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
bugsy7 said:
I take it when you say "Jews" you are referring to Europeans, since the Jews already living in Palestine were, in truth, Palestinian. If I'm not mistaken Ariel Sharon was born in Palestine which makes him a Palestinian.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
bugsy7 said:
Fair dinkum.
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