yeh, if that. So not that weird at all.
This is England- Crap/Not Crap
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yeh, if that. So not that weird at all.
yeah he did, but he accidently stood her up didn't he. Because he was doing other things.
That film is quality.
Might watch it tonight if I can be arsed.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think I'd compare Meadows more to Ken Loach than Mike Leigh. Leigh's dialogue (the excellent Topsy Turvy excepted) is normally highly stylised.
coccinelle
Active Member
I thought it was excellent: not easy to watch but a real antidote after Hollywood super-hero nonsense.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
this is where i don't agree with you and what really jars me most about the movie. the way that the character of woody had been set up meant that his disappearance without a by-your-leave simply didn't rung true and nags me throughout the second half of the film.
he's already promised to look after shaun to his ma, who had previously been concerned enough to march into the cafe with shaun and confront woody, and even she is supposed not to have been bothered that her son is now hanging about with a fucking nuthouse. i'm not saying that woody necessarily needed to be kept in, just that the transition could have been done more effectively.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
if he knows combo for what he is, why does he leave a vulnerable young boy who he's befriended and taken under his wing with him?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Because he's not a hero.
cozmikbrew
Bass case
Enjoyed it,bit of a nostalgia trip aswell,was a skinhead cos of the 2tone thing and unfortunately had to deal with "mates" spouting racist cobblers
But they still listened to ska!!idiot! yeah not bad seen it about 5 times
But they still listened to ska!!idiot! yeah not bad seen it about 5 timesquite. he's actually quite a weak character in that sense, when combo shows up woody is visibly cowed and careful. He doesn't meet him head on
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
but its not about meeting combo head on at all, its about protecting shaun.
*predicts the way that this discussion continues*
oh yes it is
oh no its not
oh yes it is
oh no its not......
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Meadows' films are brave in that they don't generally conform to the simplified morality of most flim-making. Normally, we (me included) want to see morality plays acted out in front of us, and to do that effectively, the messy ambiguity of real life has to be pared down.
It doesn't always work well (I'm in a minority in not liking Dead Man's Shoes much), but even when he fails, Meadows is never less than interesting.
It doesn't always work well (I'm in a minority in not liking Dead Man's Shoes much), but even when he fails, Meadows is never less than interesting.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Agreed. Dead Man's Shoes was so utterly brilliant, it will always be a hard act to follow for Meadowes. This is England is a great film, especially if you're interested in 70s/80's popular culture, music, and the fight against racism. And who isn't!?
Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
i agree, but he didnt really do a good job at that either. his attitude was steer clear and hope others will follow. school of hard knocks/let others learn from their mistakes perhaps? or just plain cowardly?
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
I thought it was brilliant.
That sinking sense of something terrible about to happen half way through the film. Adn the way it goes from a fiarly uplifting coming of age film to something really really nasty - is just awful.
That sinking sense of something terrible about to happen half way through the film. Adn the way it goes from a fiarly uplifting coming of age film to something really really nasty - is just awful.
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
Hasn't Meadows himself said that that whole relationship was based on something that actually happened to him when he was Shaun's age?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Beware of the true story in fiction.
It can often come across as much less believable than something made up.
People expect things to make sense in fiction in a way that they rarely do in real life.
I felt that walking out in the "spit on floor line-drawing" scene was kinda meeting him head on.
He could have then caught up with shaun at a later date and encouraged him to move on, though.
Would have kind of fucked up the plot of the film though....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Decent people don't always do what the structures of films need. Showing this was in itself a breath of fresh air.
It's a little bit crap but considering it's a British film it's not crap
One od Meadows less shit films
LOL@ Shaun Fields/Shane Meadows
101% agreed,uncanny eh?
Ye the storyline was pretty shit
Nothing was really followed up or even inter-connecting
Definitely not crap. One of my favourite films ever.
Agreed.
Agreed also, and isn't there always some jammy sod at school who cops off with someone way older?
When deciding if something is crap I compare it with This is England which, IMO, is complete and utter crap.
It's interesting that DMS gets more highly rated on here, as RL people I've recommended both films too have said that DMS is just a standard revenge-thriller, but have loved TIE.
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