"This Bus Has Changed Its Destination"

[scifisam]

just for the sake of accuracy, when dealing with census data I was taught that you needed to make allowances for different non-compliance rates between geographic areas, and different population types, with much lower rates of compliance expected from more transient groups of the population, and those worried about putting their details on official forms (people working in the black/grey economy, illegal immigrants, people running away from debt etc). Essentially looking at the figures for lambeth I'd say it's actually pretty likely that the true figure for white british would be significantly lower as a percentage than it is in the census figures as it'd be likely that significantly more non 'white british' residents would fail to return a census form than for 'white british'.

Even of the people who did return the form, 5.2% failed to fill in the section about their ethnic origin, and 5% failed to fill in their country of birth - both around double the national average. Judging from the fact that the areas of the country which had the lowest levels of failure to fill these sections in are all the areas I'd expect to be almost entirely white british, I'd say it'd be fair to assume that a large proportion of those 5% were not white british.

To me those figures for lambeth actually mean it's almost certain that the population classed as white british isn't in the majority in Lambeth, and well within the realms of possibility that the non-white population was higher in total than the total white population (Brits, Irish, Others).

not quite sure what all this has to do withbus announcements, just slipping into Stato mode for a minute...

Thanks - I've had the same thought about official statistics regarding race. Of course, people from abroad who don't plan to stay here permanently also won't be down in those numbers, and nor will tourists, and you see them around just as much as permanent residents. It's dangerous to rely on statistics like those, really, when it comes to things like finding budgets for ESOL provision in schools and when it comes to tackling racism.

But then again, given that English is the most widely spoken second language in the world the chances are that all of the folk you described above understand/speak English to some level and therefore have some level of understanding of those announcements.

Ah, I was just being silly. Though they'll be learning terrible English from 'bus stopping at next bus stop.'

ajdown's original assertion about stop and searches doesn't make any sense to me at all, still, which I guess isn't surprising at all. In fact, I'd be worried if it did make sense to me!

 

[Jonti]

Non English.

Does that include English folks with some slight ancestral miscegenation with untermensh such as the Welsh, Scots, Cornish, Manx or Irish?

I think we should be told!

 

[tarannau]

Good to see that the pretence of a mask on this racist pillock's dropped then.

What a plum

 

[Jonti]

ajdown, I'm not one for ethnic politics myself -- as far as I'm concerned folks should be able to marry whom they please, and peacefully leave where they please as well.

But I do take an interest in those ancient migrations that populated the planet, and the island of Britain in particular. And I reckon it's very likely that ...

Everything you know about British and Irish ancestry is wrong. Our ancestors were Basques, not Celts. The Celts were not wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons, in fact neither had much impact on the genetic stock of these islands.

Find out more here

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Why is that such a problem? Would you go to Iran and complain that majority of the power is held by Moslems?

No one is no one suggesting anything like it.

If people want to come to this country, then providing they meet all the requirements laid down by the government, then they should abide by our rules. We shouldn't have to bend over backwards to accommodate their special requirements.

No one is no one suggesting anything like it. This is entirely off topic and tells us about your agenda more than anything else.

If they come to this country and intresting perspective.

So are all non whites forginers in your mind then?

how about if they come FROM this country?

That ok with you?

Look at the amount of money wasted on translation by the emergency services, local councils and schools for the growing immigrant population; it should be a basic requirement for anyone seeking to settle in this country that they have at least a basic understanding, if not fluency, of our native language.

I love this type of argument it shows always what muddied and dull thinking is at work...

Ever been on holiday aboard?

know anyone who has?

i do hope this rigour is applied to them and yourself when visiting forgine places.

The simple fact is a lot of people born in this contry have neither a fluency or basic literacy of the national language. why the hell should others have greater expectations placed on them than we expect of those who aready live here?

 

[T & P]

Apologies if this has been asked a hundred times before, but is ajdown the latest reincarnation of tobyjug perchance?

 

[tarannau]

Nah, Tobes was always proud of his Helston roots.

He may have imagined many a situation, but even he wouldn't attempt this fantasy of London buses full of 'non whites' who don't speak English. This is the same AJ who called for folks to be encouraged 'back home' (regardless of where they were born) and asked where he could find non-Halal meat around here for unspecified reasons. He's a cunt of the highest order - I'm surprised he's still here tbh.

 

[Citizen66]

God, I always miss the best arguments.

Oh, he's a dick btw.

 

[quimcunx]

This is the same AJ who................ asked where he could find non-Halal meat around here for unspecified reasons. He's a cunt of the highest order - I'm surprised he's still here tbh.

Ah, yes. I remember.

Oh, he's a dick btw.

yup, had kind of picked up on that.

 

[Citizen66]

yup, had kind of picked up on that.

He lives close to your manor iirc so you can pop round and hurl eggs at his windows.

 

[quimcunx]

He lives close to your manor iirc so you can pop round and hurl eggs at his windows.

*doesn't have anything else planned for tomorrow*

 

[Citizen66]

It might be worthwhile letting them go off a bit first...

 

[laptop]

On the bus last night a Chinese woman turned to my hijab-wearing neighbour and asked "What were those Polish swearwords we just learned?"

This is one reason I like living in a world city

 

[hermitical]

and asked where he could find non-Halal meat around here for unspecified reasons

That isn't such a strange thing to ask

 

[laptop]

Anyway, I'm bored with the announcements in English. I reckon they should rotate through the first languages of the people on the bus.

The stop names would be the same - except in German: „Nächste Bushaltestelle: Bogenstraße"

 

[quimcunx]

On the bus last night a Chinese woman turned to my hijab-wearing neighbour and asked "What were those Polish swearwords we just learned?"

This is one reason I like living in a world city

Innit. Me too.

 

[rich!]

How many Asian terrorists have we had? Really not many, compared to the Asian population. It's a tiny percentage

More importantly, how many White terrorists have we had compared to the number of non white?

Bonus points if you can workout any statistics for ethnic origin of terrorists over the last five centuries...

 

[Hi-ASL]

Europe was full of them in the 70s. White student radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader_Meinhof#Custody_and_the_Stammheim_trial

Ireland had a few too.

 

[se5]

Europe was full of them in the 70s. White student radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader_Meinhof#Custody_and_the_Stammheim_trial

Ireland had a few too.

Yes there have probably been more deaths caused in london and other European cities over the last 30 or so years by white terrorists than black, asian or other ethnicity terrorists

 

[berniedicters]

On the bus last night a Chinese woman turned to my hijab-wearing neighbour and asked "What were those Polish swearwords we just learned?"

This is one reason I like living in a world city

Ah, but she asked the question in English?

Damned, filthy foreigners, sullying our glorious tongue by speaking it on buses.

 

[fogbat]

*doesn't have anything else planned for tomorrow*

White eggs only, please.