"This Bus Has Changed Its Destination"
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Agent Sparrow
AGENT TRAITOR; fools 8 year olds
Someone posted some figures about Brixton not so long ago. I think it showed that actually, white people do make up the majority, albiet a slim one.
Crispy
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And Brixton is one of the least 'white' areas. Most of London has a large 'white' majority.
I think it is intellectually dishonest of you simply to take that experience and represent it - as you did - as typical, nationally.
I wonder why someone might feel it necessary to resort to such tricks, and I cannot stop myself coming to the conclusion that it's because they KNOW their argument has no legs, and they're just trying to be inflammatory.
I am very rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are probably not a very nice person.
ETA: not to mention that your tawdry attempt to talk yourself out of one lie has been demonstrably proven now by Crispy to be a lie, also. I expect you're now going to define "round here" as some 3-yard radius circle around where you happen to be standing, just outside the Brixton West Indian Social Club (do they have one of those?), and extrapolate it nationwide.
Anyone who might have thought you had any kind of an argument won't have been persuaded by the fact you've needed to lie...
Do you think you might be on the wrong website? Why not go and chat to the nice people over on one of the white supremacy boards?
Agent Sparrow
AGENT TRAITOR; fools 8 year olds
Here is what Crispy posted on another thread re: ethnic composition of Brixton.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7549392&postcount=4
Though tbf, I hope ajdown in regards to his views would count as a minority anywhere in this country. Sadly, I suspect this is not the case.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7549392&postcount=4
Though tbf, I hope ajdown in regards to his views would count as a minority anywhere in this country. Sadly, I suspect this is not the case.
Oh, I think that those with views quite as extreme and uninformed as his are probably pretty rare. Not as rare as I'd like to think they should be, though.Here is what Crispy posted on another thread re: ethnic composition of Brixton.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7549392&postcount=4
Though tbf, I hope ajdown in regards to his views would count as a minority anywhere in this country. Sadly, I suspect this is not the case.
At least they can't avoid tripping themselves up. The ones who are more depressing are the casual racists who don't even make any kind of point of their discriminatory views - they just ignorantly bigot their way through life, thinking that Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning are just misunderstood patriots with a bloody good sense of humour...
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yep ta, love it
I particularly enjoy the bits where you try to get along with people irrespective of their colour and other meaningless labels. You must get very angry
though 
fogbat
The Talibum
In what fucking way?
SRSLY?
I'm a white, british male.
Technically I'm in a very slight minority as a male in that there are more women than men.
Technically I'm in a minority because a majority of people in London aren't called Dave, working as a webdeveloper and born in Cardiff.
If you're trying to suggest that as a white person, or a white british person, then you're in a minority, then you're failing basic counting.
Crispy
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A minority of paranoid bigots, it seems.
ajdown
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I can travel on a crowded bus and be the only white person there who speaks English.
Let me guess, that's because 'nasty whiteys' are all in their expensive cars, forcing the 'poor minorities' onto inadequate public transport?
fogbat
The Talibum
I don't believe you.
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
lololololol!
damn right you're a minority- wessex ceased to exist as a geographical area when it was split up by william the conqueror around 1066AD.
Equally the next bus could be full of white people all speaking English - you cant generalise for whole populations from the 50 or so passengers on one bus
Crispy
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Translation to Real World:
There are more poor people on public transport than in cars.
This is because cars are expensive.
People from some minorities are more likely to be poor.
This has many reasons, one of which is racism.
Therefore, you're more likely to see people from minorities on public transport.
If you want to see the government figures go to http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov...4&m=0&r=1&s=1223655453022&enc=1&dsFamilyId=47
They show that White British people make up 50% of Lambeth with White Irish people 3% and White other people (ie other European) 10%.
See also http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/ for details on a local ward level
If you look at more details at the different council wards you will see that even in the 'Blackest' ward Coldharbour Whites are still teh dominant group Coldharbour has 33% White British, 3% White Irish and 8% White other compared to 21% Black Caribbean and 19% Black African.
They show that White British people make up 50% of Lambeth with White Irish people 3% and White other people (ie other European) 10%.
See also http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/ for details on a local ward level
If you look at more details at the different council wards you will see that even in the 'Blackest' ward Coldharbour Whites are still teh dominant group Coldharbour has 33% White British, 3% White Irish and 8% White other compared to 21% Black Caribbean and 19% Black African.
Are you telling me you REALLY go all the way around the bus checking to see what race everyone is, and whether the white ones speak English?
Dude, you have toooooo many issues.
I'd stick to parodying your own bigotries, if I were you - you're doing far too good a job of it, and it'd be a shame to overreach yourself.
ajdown
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No, a simple visual check round, in the majority of cases, will draw me to the same conclusion.
I enjoy people-watching. It's an interesting way to pass an otherwise tedious hour on the bus.
You can also gauge things by listening in to conversations around you or on mobile phones, and most of those will not be in English.
Especially the very loud mobile phone conversations.
Sorry, I'm with the earlier poster: I think you're pulling this out of your arse. Either you're incredibly bigoted and determined to see the world as one in which a tiny minority of True Wessex White British are being ruthlessly oppressed by a rising tide of coloureds and foreigners, or you're delusional. I suppose the option of "both" is feasible.
scifisam
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I don't think he's necessarily wrong about being the only white person on the bus - I've noticed that too, pretty often (when bored I tend to look at the people on the bus and invent life stories for them, so tend to notice their race). But then, a lot of those people will be tourists or other visitors, temporary migrants or students, that sort of thing, as well as immigrants or British people who happen not to be white, and when there are white people they're often speaking to each other in a language that's not English.
Which I guess makes the bus announcements even more pointless!
As to whether bus drivers really do put ASBO announcements on when teenagers enter the bus - well, it wouldn't surprise me at all, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're more likely to do it for certain ethnic groups, and for boys more than girls. The drivers probably get fed up of teenagers misbehaving there, but don't care about alienating them. Not sure why anyone would expect that announcement to work, anyway. That kind iof heavy-handedness just makes you want to rebel.
Which I guess makes the bus announcements even more pointless!
As to whether bus drivers really do put ASBO announcements on when teenagers enter the bus - well, it wouldn't surprise me at all, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're more likely to do it for certain ethnic groups, and for boys more than girls. The drivers probably get fed up of teenagers misbehaving there, but don't care about alienating them. Not sure why anyone would expect that announcement to work, anyway. That kind iof heavy-handedness just makes you want to rebel.
Johnny Canuck3
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I've travelled on the bus where I'm the only brown person who speaks english.
What does that have to do with anything? Foreigners need transit too.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Maybe your buses need something like a breathalyser at the front. Instead, though, you have to be able to say in a passable way, 'the rain in spain stays mainly in the plain'. If you can't, the bus doors won't open.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Nah that just tells how posh they are. The accepted one is 'Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled pepper. A peck of ... '
free spirit
more tea vicar?
just for the sake of accuracy, when dealing with census data I was taught that you needed to make allowances for different non-compliance rates between geographic areas, and different population types, with much lower rates of compliance expected from more transient groups of the population, and those worried about putting their details on official forms (people working in the black/grey economy, illegal immigrants, people running away from debt etc). Essentially looking at the figures for lambeth I'd say it's actually pretty likely that the true figure for white british would be significantly lower as a percentage than it is in the census figures as it'd be likely that significantly more non 'white british' residents would fail to return a census form than for 'white british'.
Even of the people who did return the form, 5.2% failed to fill in the section about their ethnic origin, and 5% failed to fill in their country of birth - both around double the national average. Judging from the fact that the areas of the country which had the lowest levels of failure to fill these sections in are all the areas I'd expect to be almost entirely white british, I'd say it'd be fair to assume that a large proportion of those 5% were not white british.
To me those figures for lambeth actually mean it's almost certain that the population classed as white british isn't in the majority in Lambeth, and well within the realms of possibility that the non-white population was higher in total than the total white population (Brits, Irish, Others).
not quite sure what all this has to do withbus announcements, just slipping into Stato mode for a minute...
Treacle Toes
Time
I don't think he's necessarily wrong about being the only white person on the bus - I've noticed that too, pretty often (when bored I tend to look at the people on the bus and invent life stories for them, so tend to notice their race). But then, a lot of those people will be tourists or other visitors, temporary migrants or students, that sort of thing, as well as immigrants or British people who happen not to be white, and when there are white people they're often speaking to each other in a language that's not English.
Which I guess makes the bus announcements even more pointless!
But then again, given that English is the most widely spoken second language in the world the chances are that all of the folk you described above understand/speak English to some level and therefore have some level of understanding of those announcements.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
that kinda falls down though if each individual black kid was on average stopped more times than each white kid, which I believe is the problem people complain about.
Treacle Toes
Time
Do any of the non-white people on your bus speak English?
Are there any other white people on the bus and speaking another language?
Are you jealous that it's more likely that they speak more than one language or is it that being the only white English person on bus that bothers you?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
get on a bus round here out of term time just after the concessionary fares start, and I've sometimes found myself to be the only non-pensioner on the bus... freeloaders the lot of em
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