Thinking of a Martial Art

[Buds and Spawn]

i like wing chung too, its sort of more passive in that it uses your attackers strength against them selves. but remarkably effective

Yeah, I like the passivity of Wing Chun - fingers in the eyes, chops and punches to the windpipe and carotid, lots of nasty elbows to the face, vicious kicks etc... and that's while you're still wearing a blindfold

 

[geminisnake]

You can pick up a car, you ain't getting in no rucks

I know a lovely bloke who threw a Rover V12 engine threw someone's front window coz they didn't pay him for the work he did on it He still got in rucks.

I think this type of thread should be a sticky somewhere. It seems to crop up every 6 months or so, usually in health.

Did you do a search subversplat?

i-i-f - seconded, thirded and fourthed..Muay Thai rocks.....i love it.

Nother vote for Muay thai or kickboxing. There's self defence in that and it can be vicious

 

[Buds and Spawn]

I think comparing martial arts in terms of 'which is the best' is a waste of time. Although a few are rubbish, for most styles it comes down to the practitioner - not the art itself.

As was suggested earlier in this thread there's a big difference between self-defense and martial arts. The two are not the same. However, if you become proficient in a martial art then you'll be more able to look after yourself. Although for many there is a more dangerous initial period when you believe you're more able than you actually are - this is especially case for ninjas

But even for the relatively simple styles this takes time and effort. For most of us this means 5 - 10 yrs. to reach a decent level (if you're holding down a full-time job, have a family etc..).

 

[dlx1]

sorry to got off topic: BUT

threw a Rover V12 engine threw someone's front window

bolloxs he lifted an V12 engine.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I practice the art of not going to dangerous places or just staying at home.
My physical body is honed in the shape of one who is not a worthy target should I wander astray.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the drunken fist alows you to use random unpredictable movement to fool your enemy you have taken this to a whole new level of drunkenly tripping over stuff and puking means that you enamy no longer realises you are fighting

a truly terryfying technique

 

[WouldBe]

Macrami or how ever it's spelt.

 

[sleaterkinney]

My latest research has shown that Krav Maga is a money making scam and that Brazillian Ju Jitzu is the way forward.

Is it?. I was thinking of picking that up, I had to give up Ju Jitsu a while back when I didn't have the time. According to my instructors at the time you have to get to around blue belt to be any good in a scrap.

 

[subversplat]

Is it?. I was thinking of picking that up, I had to give up Ju Jitsu a while back when I didn't have the time. According to my instructors at the time you have to get to around blue belt to be any good in a scrap.

Lots of posts on rec.martial.arts seem to insinuate that many KM schools are populated by failed BJJ students who wanted to cash in on the popular art of the time (and it is very fashionable).

 

[sleaterkinney]

Lots of posts on rec.martial.arts seem to insinuate that many KM schools are populated by failed BJJ students who wanted to cash in on the popular art of the time (and it is very fashionable).

It is, but I was thinking that there would be more actual fighting sessions, which were practically non-existant in my JJ class. It's all very well practicing the throws/locks etc, but until you try them out in a realish situation...

 

[subversplat]

It is, but I was thinking that there would be more actual fighting sessions, which were practically non-existant in my JJ class. It's all very well practicing the throws/locks etc, but until you try them out in a realish situation...

Oh no, according to Krav Maga their moves are far too deadly to practice on an opponent

 

[U-R]

You might have a look at kali or other Filipino martial arts. They'll start you learning about stick/knife fighting and you can then apply it to empty hand or any other weapon that might be lying around. It won't make you invincible but it will teach you about blade awareness. Is sometimes taught alongside jeet kune do which is good in itself.

 

[Karac]

Ju-Jitsu is obviously the best Martial art -if youve ever seen any of that cagefighting stuff .
How handy that might be in a normal situation is debatable-its also incredibly difficult to learn.
Wing-Chun is supposed to be good defensive wise.
Basic punching,kicking can be learnt via Karate,Kick-boxing.

 

[Bob]

My latest research has shown that Krav Maga is a money making scam and that Brazillian Ju Jitzu is the way forward.

Ju Jitsu generally is very practical. I did it a while and enjoyed it generally but did get a bit pissed off by getting throttled while practicising. Tells you fascinating things about the way the human body works though.

Now I mainly do wu shu - useless in a fight (closer to dance / acrobatics / breakdancing) apart from your enhanced ability to jump.

 

[DrRingDing]

subversplat: I've done a little Krav Maga and what small amount I have done has helped me out in real life, infact even at an urbanites bash.

If learning to fight in real life and being confident in a violent situation then I believe Krav Maga is the way to go if you can find group doing it.

 

[punkrockfaggot]

subversplat: I've done a little Krav Maga and what small amount I have done has helped me out in real life, infact even at an urbanites bash.

If learning to fight in real life and being confident in a violent situation then I believe Krav Maga is the way to go if you can find group doing it.

Krav Magra is about making sure your opponent is either paralysed, blind or dead... just so you know.

It wsa developed in Isreal.

 

[DrRingDing]

Krav Magra is about making sure your opponent is either paralysed, blind or dead... just so you know.

It wsa developed in Isreal.

ummm no it isn't.

...and I think most people would find the developed in 'Isreal' bit a tad patronising.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

As far as I can tell, military un-armed stuff is much of a muchness. The mission statement is something like 'turn out people who can pull off drastic and lethal techniques more often than not in tight corners in under 60 hours of training" with a technique base that's usually about 1/3 Kodokan Ju-Jitsu, 1/3 Very basic Southern Shaolin/Karate/TKD, 1/3 whatever the inventor's pet martial art or streetfighting approach is.

Krav Manga is just another brand identity: 'As used to oppress real Palestinians'

 

[subversplat]

Basic punching,kicking can be learnt via Karate,Kick-boxing.

I did Shotokan Karate as a kid for a few years and all I learnt was how to punch the air and do a stylized dance. I could probably have fended off a couple of attackers if they had decided to come at me one by one in the shape of an "I" laid out on the floor.

 

[pk]

Krav Magra is about making sure your opponent is either paralysed, blind or dead... just so you know.

It wsa developed in Isreal.

Rubbish.

And it's spelt "Israel".

 

[chainsaw cat]

As far as I can tell, military un-armed stuff is much of a muchness. The mission statement is something like 'turn out people who can pull off drastic and lethal techniques more often than not in tight corners in under 60 hours of training" with a technique base that's usually about 1/3 Kodokan Ju-Jitsu, 1/3 Very basic Southern Shaolin/Karate/TKD, 1/3 whatever the inventor's pet martial art or streetfighting approach is.

Krav Manga is just another brand identity: 'As used to oppress real Palestinians'

Probably true. I always found the concept of 'unarmed combat training' a little silly whilst I was a soldier - I mean, isn't the whole point of an Army to be armed? Hence the name? Why give me an automatic rifle if you want me to beat the bastards up - why not just boxing gloves?

And, to be honest, if things had got to the stage where Chainsaw Cat (Lance-Corporal by the Grace of God) needed to use boots, fists and forehead to stop the Red Hordes, then the Red Hordes were going to have one more compliant prisoner of war. Cat, Chainsaw, to be explicit.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, I gather that it makes sense to teach martial arts in conjunction with pistols and knives etc, because you need to be able to clear space to produce and use the weapon, but while that was apparently often necessary for the Shanghai Riot Squad, it might be less relevant to seven sleeping blokes in the back of an armoured vehicle.

 

[Dowie]

My latest research has shown that Krav Maga is a money making scam and that Brazillian Ju Jitzu is the way forward.

or even regular ju jitzu or Aikido

all share similar features

IIRC brazillian ju jitzu places a lot of emphasis on grapling on the floor so might be great in a tornament type environment but not so great in a bar where the blokes mates can stick the boot in - prob better off with the normal ju jitsu IMO

 

[chainsaw cat]

Well, I gather that it makes sense to teach martial arts in conjunction with pistols and knives etc, because you need to be able to clear space to produce and use the weapon, but while that was apparently often necessary for the Shanghai Riot Squad, it might be less relevant to seven sleeping blokes in the back of an armoured vehicle.

Exactly. When is a soldier going to have his automatic rifle and grenades etc. discreetly hidden away somewhere? Weaponry tends to be readily available when needed IME.

 

[subversplat]

Exactly. When is a soldier going to have his automatic rifle and grenades etc. discreetly hidden away somewhere? Weaponry tends to be readily available when needed IME.

But surely if you're getting mobbed by unarmed attackers then there's really not going to be room to get your weapon out, aim and fire - even if it's on a shoulder strap. Also I don't think that most people want to kill everyone else, so if you can get a decent aim on someone then they might well surrender, which isn't going to happen if you can't get to your gun.

 

[DexterTCN]

Getting weird now.

Why do you want to learn an art? I wouldn't bother with Krav Maga, it's never done anything of note and at the end of the day it's pretty nasty.

Protecting yourself is one thing, doing time for a disproportionate response might not appeal as much. And if you break a guys arm he'll just come back with his mates some other month and give you the Ray Winston treatment from Scum.

Confidence and competence are entirely different things in real life, in Martial Arts the difference is a lot more vague.

If you want hard practice with suitably hard results use an art that has sparring. BJJ and Judo come to mind because of the realistic training with massive resistance and the results they get in the various no-holds-barred tournies these days.

Training against resistant opponents is a necessity to keep your head clear as to your abilities. Don't do Kick-boxing/Muay-Thai or any of that stuff where you stand and punish each other to see who can take the most pain, it's not MA it's testosterone and while it's fun to get stuck in, it's also fun to be able to walk properly when you're 50.

Other than that just pick 20 different arts and give them a shot.

 

[Teepee]

Ninjutsu sounds cool as hell, if a little impractical.

 

[subversplat]

I thought ninjitsu was a complete training system rather than just a martial art? It covers stealth, misdirection, a bit of science, diplomacy, all sorts of things.

 

[Teepee]

You probably know more about it than I do, but yeah, afaik it involves all of those things, including archery, throwing objects etc.