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Ben Bore said:
If you've never actually been to the National Eisteddfod and decide to judge it by shots and coverage on english langugae tv (or from websites about something completely differnt altogether ;) ) you may not be getting the complete picture.

You know, I'd never even considered attending the Eisteddfod, and tbh, I think my impressions of it were garnered in exactly the way you describe, Ben. As well as having South Walian mates who would sneer at anything to do with language.

Is it a good day out? I mean, is there much to be gained from it for the non-native, non-Welsh speaking type? ;)

If so, place & dates of the next one (or is this the one that seems to be running into controversy, with the offer from Liverpool to host it? Or am I getting my Welsh festives mixed up?), and we'll scientifically organise an urbanite excursion :D
 
depends really
yes and no, the alternative field 'maes b' would prob interest u more but then afaik is Welsh language band dominated and most of the kiddies would most certainly be fully fledged Welshies.
last time i went, years and years ago it was just like a bit of a glorified county show type thing.
my younger brother used to go and get into it more and seemed to have a great time camoing with mates.
 
Karac said:
Never heard of Lara Lee but the few minutes i saw of Isabel Ice- :eek:
Not good.
Is there such a thing as "Welsh Porn"?
The only one ive ever heard of is Newport road trip or something-never seen it.
Is there any Welsh language porn?

Lara Lee is hotly tipped to be the next big thing in British porn, although her long-term ambitions lay in the States.

Isabel Ice specialises in erm... bottom sex. God bless her. She's very bright and currently studying at university.

The Newport Road Trip features a pair of twins (oops tautology). It's standard gonzo featuring Marino.

No such thing as Welsh language porn (as far as I'm aware) so the opportunity is there for someone to make cultural history. A Welsh-language porn version of the Mabinogion perhaps... :eek: Bring it on. ;)

Welsh porn would be my specialized subject on Mastermind.
 
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Col_Buendia said:
You know, I'd never even considered attending the Eisteddfod, and tbh, I think my impressions of it were garnered in exactly the way you describe, Ben. As well as having South Walian mates who would sneer at anything to do with language.

Is it a good day out? I mean, is there much to be gained from it for the non-native, non-Welsh speaking type? ;)
Went last year for the 2nd time ever-(1st time as a kid)-really enjoyed it.
This year its in the old factory near Velindre outside Swansea.
 
Well, can I ask - at the risk of having an enormous amount of piss taken - what is it exactly that they get up to at it? I mean, I am assuming it is not some sort of Welsh language Glasto, is it?
 
Col_Buendia said:
Well, can I ask - at the risk of having an enormous amount of piss taken - what is it exactly that they get up to at it? I mean, I am assuming it is not some sort of Welsh language Glasto, is it?

noooo!
 
Col_Buendia said:
Well, can I ask - at the risk of having an enormous amount of piss taken - what is it exactly that they get up to at it? I mean, I am assuming it is not some sort of Welsh language Glasto, is it?

Daytime:

On the main site you have the 'Maes' (literally 'Field') which has competitions which you'd probably associate with any Eisteddfod (singing, dancing, reciting etc), but you also have art, drama, poetry etc. There's also a large learners area. There are now lots of small outdoor stages scattered about the Maes with various performances taking place thoughout the week, that range from bands playing to competitors having a bit of practise.

If you don't speak Welsh you might find it difficult to appreciate poetry and drama, but the visual stuff is accessable to anyone and so is music. There's loads of stalls from various organisations and companies, some of which are interesting. For people who've never been to an Eisteddfod there are people in red t-shirts with 'Here to Help' on them to guide you (in Welsh or English) through what's going on and where and when it's happening.

In the evening:

There's also a Maes-B which is a sort of mini-Glasto. It's an enclosed camping site for the young-uns with an associated marquee. This is a sort of spin-off run by the Eisteddfod and usually has two stages with about 8 acts on each night. Each evening tends to have a theme, like Rock, Dance, Hip-Hop, Folksy/Acoustic etc.

The bands playing here will be announced on www.maesb.com soon (this site lists gigs organised by Maes B at varius locations through the year.)

In true Welsh style there's a split and Cymdeithas yr Iaith hold their own gigs during Eisteddfod week ( itend to go to these). They like to hold gigs in the towns that host the Eisteddfod rather than everything happening out of town so that local pubs and businesses benefit.
They have just announced that their gigs will take place in Barons night club in Swansea (remember club scene in Twin Town?) and Glamorgan Arms in Pontlliw. Line-ups to be confirmed.


Links
i've found BBC pages with winneres of all the different Art & Crafft (Celf a Chrefft) categories for the 2002 and 2003 National Eisteddfod

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/celf/eisteddfod02/winners.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/celf/eisteddfod03/winners.shtml

Pensaernïaeth - Architecture
Ysgoloriaeth Artist Ifanc - Young Artist Scholarship

If you lick on the photo's in each category, you get to a page for the artist. At the bottom there's a drop-down-menu with a list of other artist who also competed in the same category, click 'Ewch' (Go) to view their work.



Sorry for going on about it, but the Eisteddfod has an image problem among Welsh speakers never mind non-Welsh speakers, and I'd just like to give a fuller picture when people ask. Feel free to ask me more questions, maybe I'll dig this thread up and start a fresh one about the Eisteddfod nearer to August.
 
Karac said:
Never heard of Lara Lee but the few minutes i saw of Isabel Ice- :eek:
Not good.
Is there such a thing as "Welsh Porn"?
The only one ive ever heard of is Newport road trip or something-never seen it.
Is there any Welsh language porn?

There's rumour of an ameteur video going about called 'Cigydd Abertiefi' (the Butcher from Cardigan) but I've not seen it.

There's also a Welsh porn blog (NOT SUITABLE FOR WORKPLACE - unless you work in the porn industry) :http://badans.blogspot.com
The earliest entries were really funny as the guy (or girl) had hilarious commentry to accompany the pics, but now it's just a collection of photo's lifted from somewhere else.

There's a song about Welsh porn by MC Saisamundo on Radio Amgen Show 33 (last track). :D
 
Ben Bore said:
Sorry for going on about it, but the Eisteddfod has an image problem among Welsh speakers never mind non-Welsh speakers, and I'd just like to give a fuller picture when people ask. Feel free to ask me more questions, maybe I'll dig this thread up and start a fresh one about the Eisteddfod nearer to August.

:cool: Thanks for that very informative post, Ben. One last question, though - if you can be perfectly honest about this - as a complete non-speaker of Welsh, would I be wasting my time at the Eisteddfod? Cos if it's basically a language-based celebration of culture, that's fine, I don't have an issue with that, but I'd rather not hang out with a bunch of people who don't want to/can't talk to me. IYSWIM :)
 
A word of caution going to the 'fordd if you don't speak Welsh or are too pissed to speak yourself.

I went up to the Tredegar one in a minbus with some of the Welsh boys. A quick ride on a bike saw me hopelessly lost in a field full of tents,not knowing what was going on :confused: but I did manage to sleep under a car, whose driver then picked me up hitching on the way back to Cardiff. ( which was lucky )
 
Col_Buendia said:
:cool: Thanks for that very informative post, Ben. One last question, though - if you can be perfectly honest about this - as a complete non-speaker of Welsh, would I be wasting my time at the Eisteddfod? Cos if it's basically a language-based celebration of culture, that's fine, I don't have an issue with that, but I'd rather not hang out with a bunch of people who don't want to/can't talk to me. IYSWIM :)

If I'm completely honest, I don't know. ;) You might hate it or love it. It is basically a langugae based celebration of culture but it's not just about the langugae. I'm a shy person myself, and if I were in your position I'd probably have a rotten time, but if you're inquisative and not affraid to ask you'll get a lot out of it.

Having read comments by non-Welsh speakers about the Newport Eisteddfod on a BBC site you'd swear that people visited two different events. Some said how great it was, how welcoming and helpfull people were, others saying how they felt like foreigners in their own country and how rude everyone were - I'd say it's got a lot to do with the individual.

With regards to people not wanting to/can't talk to you, well most people would be chuffed that a non-Welsh speakers come along to see what going on.

I've managed to find something written by a guy from London who came down to the Newport Eisteddfod to see the gigs and what he thought about it (again, this is one person's perspective.)
http://66.249.93.104/custom?q=cache...es.htm+eisteddfod&hl=cy&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

(scroll 2/3 way down, under heading: An Englishman* In Newport (An outsider’s perspective of the 2004 Eisteddfod))

*Please don't be offended if you're Welsh or Mongolian or whatever, it's just an example :D
 
:cool: I've got *nash* friends who are obliged to go to the Eisteddfod, and they'd probably drop a load if I was to ask them to take me with them, but I might just float the idea, I'm starting to feel guilty (thanks Colacho!) after 6 years in Wales and not a word of the language to my name, nor a scooby doo about the "culture".
 
jjuice said:
if the eisteddfod seems too Mr Urdd for you try Big Music from Small Nations, in July in Cilycwm. A very inclusive do
Check out link www.cilycwm.com/smallnations

Grrrr... ya fookin spammer! :D I've already posted my impressed reaction on your own thread, but in case people have missed it, look here: jjuice's own thread.

Yer festie looks well tasty - I presume from yr spoiling tactics against the Eisteddfod that you speak more English than them? ;)
 
Yep, I talk Saes mostly. I've nothing against eisteddfodau, but in my experience they can be a little exclusive. I've had a great time there too mind
 
Col_Buendia said:
:cool: I've got *nash* friends who are obliged to go to the Eisteddfod, and they'd probably drop a load if I was to ask them to take me with them, but I might just float the idea, I'm starting to feel guilty (thanks Colacho!) after 6 years in Wales and not a word of the language to my name, nor a scooby doo about the "culture".

There was no intent to make you feel guilty, estimado coronel! As for the Eisteddfod, my main association with that event (last went in 1982- and I can tell you it sounds a lot more fun now!) is walking home from the boozer in Neath with my brother taking it in turns to shout "A oes heddwch?" "Heddwch!" as loud as we could fucking manage. Some geezer coming our way turned round and ran like fuck back under what was then the Courage bridge- nice irony, that.
 
I'm from Bristol but living in the heart of rural Wales, best or worst of both worlds depending on your POV. :)

Have to say there's been some rather heavy-handed imposition of Welsh culture at the boys' primary school, which is a pity cos there's such a lot in it and ramming it down their throats can only be counter-productive.

Even Welsh language coverage of the Eisteddfod is pretty dire.

Recent historical documentary series was hilarious in its double standards, going on about how terrible it is that there's been so much prejudice against Italian, Asian and Afro-Caribbean immigrants in one programme then bemoaning the problem of English incomers in another :D

Can't believe no one's mentioned Con Passionate, love it

Overall I'm well chuffed to be living here and we're all getting on like a house on fire ;)
 
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