Johnny Canuck2 said:
you've been on these boards and following the UK news and you don't know that
I know some people can be thick, but for just for you, I'll make that one effort, think CIA....
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you've been on these boards and following the UK news and you don't know that
I know some people can be thick, but for just for you, I'll make that one effort, think CIA....Bob_the_lost
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MI5 is more like the FBI except they don't do criminal stuff.guinnessdrinker said:you've been on these boards and following the UK news and you don't know that
MI6 is like the CIA but with style.
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Thank you toby, and?tobyjug said:
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guinnessdrinker said:you've been on these boards and following the UK news and you don't know that
I thought it was more like an internal CIA.
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
Have you ever heard of the words "intelligence" and "counter-intelligence"?
Sounds like a plan to me.tobyjug said:
Police are getting more and more powers while the situation on the streets is (reportedly) getting worse, thus justifying even more powers - like the new "you can arrest anyone you want" rules that came into force today.
TAE said:
Laws no matter how Draconian are totally worthless if there are no police officers on the street to enforce them.
In some areas of Britain, (I live in one) the sight of a police officer is so rare it warrants a first cuckoo of the year type of letter to the local press.
I also do several trips a year to different areas of South and Midlands Britain. I have as yet never seen a police car on any of those trips.
JC is right to wave a flag about car tracking. Like biometric ID cards, enhanced rights of arrest and detention, the steady erosion of the judiciary these are things to be very wary of. States cannot be trusted must occasionally be unmade and a vigilant activist citizenry is the only guarantee of liberty. The Founding Fathers understood this.
About 6 months after 9-11 I read a US government evaluation of setting up its own MI5 to deal with the threat of terrorism. It noted the very high level of effectiveness of MI5 but in that near hysterical atmosphere it concluded that Yanks would never tolerate such an agency as it would represent a severe erosion of their constitutionally enshrined civil liberties and that the Brit's only did because they'd lived with a evidently genuine terrorism threat for decades. What's more it said given the lack of evidence that 9-11 was the first blow from a similarly enduring domestic threat the US Judiciary would never consider suspending the constitution and adopting a European police state mentality. With the rather modest Patriot act already dying on it's feet and US intelligence agencies still engaged in chaotic factionalism that report has been surprisingly accurate in it's assessments.
About 6 months after 9-11 I read a US government evaluation of setting up its own MI5 to deal with the threat of terrorism. It noted the very high level of effectiveness of MI5 but in that near hysterical atmosphere it concluded that Yanks would never tolerate such an agency as it would represent a severe erosion of their constitutionally enshrined civil liberties and that the Brit's only did because they'd lived with a evidently genuine terrorism threat for decades. What's more it said given the lack of evidence that 9-11 was the first blow from a similarly enduring domestic threat the US Judiciary would never consider suspending the constitution and adopting a European police state mentality. With the rather modest Patriot act already dying on it's feet and US intelligence agencies still engaged in chaotic factionalism that report has been surprisingly accurate in it's assessments.
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tobyjug said:
Let me break it down for you, my little blue patriarch.
What the intoduction of ANPR means for the Police is relief from many of the traffic enforcment roles they currently dedicate a lot of time to.
ANPR enables such tasks as:
- Identification / prosecution of drivers of untaxed/SORNed vehicles
- Identification / prosecution of drivers of uninsured vehicles (or more precisely, vehicles with no entry in the MIDB)
- Identification / prosecution of drivers of vehicles with no MOT (Computerisation of every VOSA test station is now almost complete)
- Identification / prosecution of speeding motorists
It's more than just the additional bonus of being able to track - realtime and historically - the movement of any vehicle across the European road network. What is being created is a database of all vehicle movements that can be 'intelligently mined' for patterns, associations and the like.
Last time I looked, the cutting edge of AI technology included software 'agents' and their ability to infer (or 'assume') information from enormous and diverse data sources. S'okay. Big Brother Loves You.
Basically, Tobes: Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they can't see YOU!
Worth a gander: ASPO: “Denying Criminals the Use of the Roads”.
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