They see you when you're sleeping; they know if you're awake....
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Johnny Canuck3
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tobyjug said:
The totalitarian police state gets built one step at a time. Constant monitoring of the citizens is one of the steps.
It boils down to what you believe in. I believe that government is a tool that we have built to promote the common good. The tool is supposed to be at our disposal, not the other way around. Unless it's absolutely necessary for the tool to be used, I want it kept the hell out of the way.
That includes when I'm walking down the street, or driving down it, minding my own business.
Toby, you say that you aren't breaking any laws, so you have nothing to worry about. However, all it takes for a change in the law, is a change in government. The day might come when you get a government that you don't agree with, or that doesn't agree with you, and if that day comes, it will be unfortunate if all the tools of repression are already in place, waiting to be used. You are all the more vulnerable in that you don't have any sort of overriding code, ie a constitution, to which your laws must conform.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Johnny Canuck2 said:
jesus it must be xmas i agree with JC on a political debate... against tobyjug
Jezza pass me my pills clearly i'm halluncenating again...
I think I'll have some pills too.
Johnny Canuck2 hit the nail on the head:
"... it will be unfortunate if all the tools of repression are already in place, waiting to be used."
"Beware of the thought police"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1937539,00.html
Johnny Canuck2 hit the nail on the head:
"... it will be unfortunate if all the tools of repression are already in place, waiting to be used."
"Beware of the thought police"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1937539,00.html
Johnny Canuck3
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GarfieldLeChat said:
Who started the fucking thread?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
It's not even a change in laws. 90 year old holocaust surviviors who disagree with Tony Blair about Iraq are already classified as terrorists as are any environmentalists who engage in any sort of direct action.Johnny Canuck2 said:
So, big brother the tv programme finally hits the streets. I always thought it was an excellent way of softening up the british public for what was to come.
Next we're gonna have cameras at petrol stations so that folk can tell the watchers what kind of day they're having, or even better, confess to the crimes they've committed that day and make it easy for the watchers. And hey, what about mini cameras by the pillow that allow us to tell the watchers how we're feeling at the end of our day.
From my vantage point britain is rapidly (not slowly at all) descending into, if not a police state, then an overtly orwellian society.
Insane and horrific. And it's a labour government doing all this. These bush years are gonna look damned interesting to history students...
Next we're gonna have cameras at petrol stations so that folk can tell the watchers what kind of day they're having, or even better, confess to the crimes they've committed that day and make it easy for the watchers. And hey, what about mini cameras by the pillow that allow us to tell the watchers how we're feeling at the end of our day.
From my vantage point britain is rapidly (not slowly at all) descending into, if not a police state, then an overtly orwellian society.
Insane and horrific. And it's a labour government doing all this. These bush years are gonna look damned interesting to history students...
tobyjug said:
Heh, you're confusing yourself with the other 50 odd million british people. Since when was it that tobyjug = state?? Because YOU don't see a police officer, there cannot be a police state? Phew, that's alright then.
But anyway, with any luck in the future you won't need to make an appointment: they'll be making it for you. Just think about the hassle factor, so much easier eh? No hanging around waiting for the phone to answer, and then more hanging around while you speak to recorded and dead voices, no sir, they'll simply come over to you. They'll come for you...
Looks like blair wants to give bush a run for his money over how many folk they can round up and put into the slammer. A new game for him.
tobyjug said:
You don't get it do you? Why don't you take a peek into burma and see how repressive police-state laws change the behaviour of a population. How it cows them, how they choose their words very carefully, in fact how politics ceases to be a topic for chewing the cud with your fellow human beings.
When you know you're being watched, just see how behaviour changes. Check out that stupid big brother programme for evidence of this.
Britain it seems to me is under threat from insane people, and any day now will wake up to find out they no longer have the freedoms that previous generations fought so much for. Fucking shame on it.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
GarfieldLeChat said:
unfortunately, there's none left....I necked the whole lot when i found out I agreed with johnny canuck too!
ETA: and I do, 100%.
tobes, you're kinda missing the point here....by a mile or two....
Sunspots said:My bicycle doesn't have number plates...
Don't worry they will put one of these little devices inside your bike, your clothing, etc, so you won't get away that easily. What a brave new world it is.
tobyjug said:
yes entire groups of protesters and political activists that don't agree with the main parties will fear being targetted. and how will it help with non insured drivers? is it worth losing our civil liberties for a few of them off the road?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
i know i know anyway who ever you are you'd better give jc2 his log in back he'll not be happy when he realises your posting as him...Johnny Canuck2 said:
bet he left himself logged into the internet cafe again... is that you citizen ???
TAE said:
The only think that worries me is the near total lack of policing. Police are as rare as rocking horse poo in rural areas. (Which is why the amount of do it yourself policing, the police do fuck all basically.For instance I have yet to see a police traffic patrol car on any of the long distance trips I do every year.
Speed cameras only catch speeding drivers, they do not catch tail-gaters and other dangerous drivers.
tobyjug said:
That's more a description of the nature of the state rather than a police state. There's laws, legislation, controlling the social, economic, and political aspects of peoples lives wherever there's a state. Depending on the confidence of the ruling elite and the nature of the resistance the laws can be exercised rigidly or not, but the capacity to enforce the laws, or add to them is part of the normal workings of the state.
I'm interested in what you think defines a police state?
goneforlunch
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Surveillance is set to get worse now the Galileo satellite has been launched by the European Space Agency and due to be fully operational by 2010.
It will be able to pinpoint a position to within a metre with better penetration indoors.
The so called eurosceptic press have concentrated on the benefits of the system, glossing over almost totally the millitary and surveillance uses to which it could be put. At least the Guardian and the Independent report its true use as being political.
And the so called eurosceptic Tory party ... it doesn't even want to talk about it at all. This is just one of the profoundly important issues not being discussed in public by our politicians.
It will be able to pinpoint a position to within a metre with better penetration indoors.
The so called eurosceptic press have concentrated on the benefits of the system, glossing over almost totally the millitary and surveillance uses to which it could be put. At least the Guardian and the Independent report its true use as being political.
And the so called eurosceptic Tory party ... it doesn't even want to talk about it at all. This is just one of the profoundly important issues not being discussed in public by our politicians.
Ninjaboy said:that's cos secret police are secret you tard
The nearest thing to secret police in Britain are Customs and Excise, they have powers the police can only dream about.
I find this paranoia about Britain becoming a police state laughable to be honest. It is a lack of police we are suffering from, not a police state.
Johnny Canuck3
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tobyjug said:
What is MI5?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
All said without a trace of irony too. Wot? No smiley?
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