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"These clever people who've captured the state"

riot sky said:
He doesn't use the word fake, but he does put forward some interesting points.

I don't see why MI6 would want to orchestrate a bombing, our governments do lie to us, to bump people off, but the mass murder of innocent vivilians... why?

Rulers have always carried out orchestrated terror attacks so that they can blame an external enemy as an excuse to manifest a war agenda and police state mentality.
Hitler had the Reichstag fire to declare martial law and create the Reich Security. He had SS attack a base on the Polish Border and then told the people Poland had attacked them. They lie and trick and fool us into war.
Never forget that Hitler was democratically elected. I know people say that when comparing to Hitler your usually dramatising but seriously, its the same tactics. It happens throughout history from Nero burning down Rome to blame the Xians to Putin bombing apartments to blame it on the Chechneyans.

The siren song of the dictator has always been give up your rights so we can protect you. AND ITS ALWAYS A CON.

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

Authoritarianism is staring us all in the face.
 
editor said:
Unless you have any credible proof that 7/7 was a "fake terror attack" you'd best shut it now.

Quite right. In fact, I think that statements of this sort should be punishable at least by severe fines.

Several lawyers i've had detailed consultations with have suggested that we could tackle this kind of generalised smear attack on western government and society using the new terrorism bill. Their argument was that stating that western governments carried out or allowed the attacks, amounts to stating that Osama bin Laden is innocent, which is in fact glorification of Osama bin Laden, a known terrorist.

And personally, I think that people who sympathise with bin Laden, are deeply suspect, and I would certainly approve of their detention under the terrorism act, just so that a proper investigation can be made of their connections. It may however be necessary to bring in further acts of parliament criminalising sympathising with terrorism.

I've even heard that someone has copyrighted a t-shirt, with a picture of
an aeroplane striking one of the towers on the front, a picture of Osama bin Laden on the back, the words "Boom Boom" and the image of a smoking chillum below the words. This kind of sick "joke" is clearly deeply offensive, and provides a good example of why we had to bring in the act outlawing glorification of terrorism.
 
Tony Blair said:
Quite right. In fact, I think that statements of this sort should be punishable at least by severe fines..

Free speech no longer free, eh?

Tony Blair said:
Several lawyers i've had detailed consultations with have suggested that we could tackle this kind of generalised smear attack on western government and society using the new terrorism bill. Their argument was that stating that western governments carried out or allowed the attacks, amounts to stating that Osama bin Laden is innocent, which is in fact glorification of Osama bin Laden, a known terrorist. .

No its not you cretin. Osama Bin Laden is a TWAT. He works for the CIA, I`m not saying he`s some unwitting victim. Hes like Haroon Aswat, hes just a security service asset. Hes the hired Boogeyman.
The terrorists are out there but they are owned by our rulers in the banks. The same people that own Tony Blair.
They think if they plant enough bombs we`ll run screaming to the govt to save us all.

Tony Blair said:
And personally, I think that people who sympathise with bin Laden, are deeply suspect, and I would certainly approve of their detention under the terrorism act, just so that a proper investigation can be made of their connections. It may however be necessary to bring in further acts of parliament criminalising sympathising with terrorism. .

:D This is a parody right?


Tony Blair said:
I've even heard that someone has copyrighted a t-shirt, with a picture of
an aeroplane striking one of the towers on the front, a picture of Osama bin Laden on the back, the words "Boom Boom" and the image of a smoking chillum below the words. This kind of sick "joke" is clearly deeply offensive, and provides a good example of why we had to bring in the act outlawing glorification of terrorism.

You glorify war in the middle east, war is a type of terrorism. You should be imprisoned under this legislation you hypocrite.

"T-shirts don`t kill people, Tony does, its the sound of MI5 BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!"
 
I think perhaps I should backtrack a bit. Clearly in the present climate it would be unrealistic to suggest criminalising sympathising with terrorism, or fining people for publicising their delusional views about the government.

I also wish to withdraw the comment I made about putting Jesus in a mental hospital. This was not meant seriously, it was intended as a joke, in order to expose Azrael's obvious paranoia. (In fact modern christian thinking does not expect the return of the messiah as an individual.)

But there is a serious problem concerning the publication of the kind of delusional paranoid views that Azrael and others espouse. I have been in consultation with a number of expert psychiatrists concerning the mental health system, and the problem of an increasing incidence of the mental illness known as schizophrenia. Now I wouldn't want to say that Azrael is a severe case, but psychiatrists have told me that the worldviews publicised by, for example, David Icke, play an important part in a great number of severe cases of mental illness that require hospitalisation, at great expense to the taxpayer.

The problem is, it seems that some people are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia, and once they start believing in a delusional paranoid worldview, the illness gradually worsens, and often results in psychosis. The general consensus among medical experts is that both for the good of the individuals and for the good of society at large, the best approach is prevention rather than cure, and for this reason, I do think there is a strong case for outlawing publication of delusional views. The problem is, not only do they often harm the person who publishes them, they can also cause mental illness in vulnerable readers.

One solution that is being considered is compulsory medication of people who hold such delusional views, and are not sane or compassionate enough to keep quiet about them.

I do not wish you to think this is a joke. This is a very serious issue. :D
 
Thats rich when Tony is a cold hearted psychopath who can order the deaths of innocent people in the name of profit and bloody minded imperialism.

I`m not responsible for peoples deaths, I`m not a murderer. Blair is the danger to society.

AND....I don`t believe that our leaders are shapeshifting reptilians. Although describing them as human may be merit too far. I`ll say one thing for Icke they certainly seem to have a reptilians warmth in their policy :rolleyes:
 
Tony Blair said:
Quite right. In fact, I think that statements of this sort should be punishable at least by severe fines. .
Nice wind up - I can see Azrael's taken the bait already - but I'm more concerned about your IP address.

It exactly matches another poster who really should know better.

Oh, and when I say 'exact match', I mean six different sole and exclusive IP matches, which makes the chance of it being a coincidence extremely small.

Perhaps the other poster will be along shortly to explain before the double ban button is hit?
 
editor said:
Nice wind up - I can see Azrael's taken the bait already - but I'm more concerned about your IP address.

It exactly matches another poster who really should know better.

Oh, and when I say 'exact match', I mean six different sole and exclusive IP matches, which makes the chance of it being a coincidence extremely small.

Perhaps the other poster will be along shortly to explain before the double ban button is hit?

Dont Ban Blair!
Cos it wouldnt be Fair.
You make think hes a Phoney
But hes not a bad Tony

He could always close Urban down
Or turn into Gordon Brown.
So dont make this the day
That Blair goes away.
 
Hmmmm, thread's been derailed a bit I reckon - albeit with a sprinkling of amusement thrown in.

Bernie Gunther said:
Yep, and it's a closed system that while it's stable (ie while there is no realistic left alternative) almost completely independent of any need to consider the needs of traditional labour supporters.

I think the whole thing pretty much stinks and we desperately need a viable credible alternative; not that I have a great deal of faith in politics. Any ideas anyone?
 
tbaldwin said:
Dont Ban Blair!
Cos it wouldnt be Fair.
You make think hes a Phoney
But hes not a bad Tony
We have to play fair
Even to Tony Blair
But when an alter-ego sneaks in
They're heading for the bin

It's good to have a debate
but not with an invented mate
So if Tony's double posting
He's in for a roasting
 
editor said:
We have to play fair
Even to Tony Blair
But when an alter-ego sneaks in
They're heading for the bin

It's good to have a debate
but not with an invented mate
So if Tony's double posting
He's in for a roasting

Roasting Tony Blair?

I'm not too sure about that!
 
editor said:
We have to play fair
Even to Tony Blair
But when an alter-ego sneaks in
They're heading for the bin

It's good to have a debate
but not with an invented mate
So if Tony's double posting
He's in for a roasting

Well it's a fair cop, but I'm presently pleasantly surprised I haven't been banned yet. And honestly, in the absence of peebs i think it's for the good of the whole community, that people who like to argue have someone to argue with.
 
Tony Blair said:
And honestly, in the absence of peebs i think it's for the good of the whole community, that people who like to argue have someone to argue with.
Sorry, it's called trolling and I don't like the dishonesty involved, or the extra work it inevitable generates for the mods.

Because it's a Friday and I can't be arsed to remember your other ID, I'm just going to ban your current character.

Try it on again and you'll be totally banned.
 
Tony Blair said:
Well it's a fair cop, but I'm presently pleasantly surprised I haven't been banned yet. And honestly, in the absence of peebs i think it's for the good of the whole community, that people who like to argue have someone to argue with.

You flatter yourself - you are no pbman.
 
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