Them raw food peoples

[Mrs Miggins]

I felt sorry for that woman's poor son who said that he didn't have any friends because his mum wouldn't let him go to school and she made him eat food that meant he couldn't eat with anybody else.

 

[*Miss*Sparkle*]

was this programme on recently? What channel? Cheers

 

[Herbsman.]

Raw foodism is lame.

Cooking led to the evolution of man. And woman.

I bet raw foodists are also scared of the internet and electricity.

 

[Gingerman]

I bet their farts are a thing of wonder

 

[Wookey]

They don't have farts, they have composted breezes.

 

[northernhord]

Raw kidney beans *yum*.

Straight to casualty init bro

 

[Geri]

Cooked tomatoes are better for you, and that's a fact!

I don't mind some raw veg - carrots, peas, cauliflower. I've even been known to eat bits of raw potato but apparently it's not too good for you.

I knew a fruitarian once, he was absolutely bonkers. And very thin and pasty with it.

 

[Dirty Martini]

I knew a fruitarian once, he was absolutely bonkers. And very thin and pasty with it.

They are strange. They can hear the plants SCREAM!

I hate all forms of food faddism. In my experience, it goes hand in hand with some fairly strange views on the world in general.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I knew a fruitarian once....

What's the philosphy behind "fruitarianism" then?

 

[Structaural]

What's the philosphy behind "fruitarianism" then?

Isn't that when you only eat fruit and veg that's fallen from a tree/bush?

 

[CharlieAddict]

What's the philosphy behind "fruitarianism" then?

where vegans are a strict vegetarians.
fruitarians are strict vegans.

think pure. natural. living off the foods from mother earth.
body not a graveyard for mudered animals. same bollocks but more extreme.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Isn't that when you only eat fruit and veg that's fallen from a tree/bush?

Christ they must be startving!

 

[CharlieAddict]

Isn't that when you only eat fruit and veg that's fallen from a tree/bush?

nah...i think that's a myth but not sure.

 

[Structaural]

nah...i think that's a myth but not sure.

Nah some advocate this philosphy but I doubt the majority do - as it's a bit religious in its overtones.

Some fruitarians believe fruitarianism was the original diet of mankind in the form of Adam and Eve based on Genesis 1:29.[13] They believe that a return to an Eden-like paradise will require simple living and a holistic approach to health and diet.[14] Some fruitarians wish to avoid killing in all its forms, including plants

It all seems a bit much nutty to me, but then I think the amount of meat in the average westerners diet is pretty mental. No surpise that bowel cancer is the 2nd biggest killer. That's cultural food fadism I reckon.

 

[CharlieAddict]

It all seems a bit much nutty to me, but then I think the amount of meat in the average westerners diet is pretty mental. No surpise that bowel cancer is the 2nd biggest killer. That's cultural food fadism I reckon.

a diet made up of animal products isn't going to kill you.
even if the person was to eat meat for every meal.
the problem is in the way meat is cooked over here.
the transfats. the oils. the batter. excess saturated fats.
people not chewing probably and not eating enough minerals/vitamins.

as for cow's milk, there was a recent study - heard it off Fitness Rocks - that a couple of glasses a day can prevent bowel cancer, but too much can mess up your digestive system.

it's all about getting smart with foods.
something i don't get from fruitarians.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

i once ate dinner with two raw fooders (only i didn't know about it till i began to eat)

they'd invited me round saying they were making soup with butternut squash. that sounds deliciouse
not when liquidised raw with sprouted seeds and other raw veg matter and then just heated a little bit

this meal was preceeded by wild gathered seaweed also heated - at least the salt and iodine gave it flavour.

they lapped up bowls of the stuff and I had to cram a bit down

 

[Brainaddict]

a diet made up of animal products isn't going to kill you.
even if the person was to eat meat for every meal.
the problem is in the way meat is cooked over here.

Interested to know where you get this from - it doesn't really fit with the standard dietary advice these days - particularly on red meat.

 

[Structaural]

a diet made up of animal products isn't going to kill you.
even if the person was to eat meat for every meal.
the problem is in the way meat is cooked over here.
the transfats. the oils. the batter. excess saturated fats.
people not chewing probably and not eating enough minerals/vitamins.

as for cow's milk, there was a recent study - heard it off Fitness Rocks - that a couple of glasses a day can prevent bowel cancer, but too much can mess up your digestive system.

it's all about getting smart with foods.
something i don't get from fruitarians.

Rubbish, the overproduction of meat products is fucking our environment, our digestive tract is not designed to be solely carnivorous - or we would have a short tract like dogs and cats. Saturated fats are the fat in meat so overconsuption will cause associated problems. The average meat eater is no smarter than the average fruitarian.
And no animal except humans consumes the baby milk of another species well into adult hood.

 

[CharlieAddict]

Interested to know where you get this from - it doesn't really fit with the standard dietary advice these days - particularly on red meat.

its about eating the right sort of meats.
sorry if i was unclear.
was thinking of the japanes, korean and meditarrean cultures - how they eat their foods compared to brits.

take the meditarrean as an example.
they consume higher quantities of fats than most countries in the west yet their heart disease, obesity and cancer rates are significantly lower.

 

[toggle]

i once ate dinner with two raw fooders (only i didn't know about it till i began to eat)

they'd invited me round saying they were making soup with butternut squash. that sounds deliciouse
not when liquidised raw with sprouted seeds and other raw veg matter and then just heated a little bit

this meal was preceeded by wild gathered seaweed also heated - at least the salt and iodine gave it flavour.

they lapped up bowls of the stuff and I had to cram a bit down

that sounds utterly revolting.

 

[Brainaddict]

its about eating the right sort of meats.
sorry if i was unclear.
was thinking of the japanes, korean and meditarrean cultures - how they eat their foods compared to brits.

take the meditarrean as an example.
they consume higher quantities of fats than most countries in the west yet their heart disease, obesity and cancer rates are significantly lower.

They also often have a different lifestyle. And if you were talking about Japan and Korea in your original post then you should have clarified that fish forms a large part of the 'meats' you were referring to. Really, there's so much unscientific bollocks doing the rounds about diet and nutrition these days that I don't think you should add to it, even on an internet forum, where hopefully no one is taking any notice anyway

 

[CharlieAddict]

Rubbish, the overproduction of meat products is fucking our environment, our digestive tract is not designed to be solely carnivorous - or we would have a short tract like dogs and cats. Saturated fats are the fat in meat so overconsuption will cause associated problems. The average meat eater is no smarter than the average fruitarian.
And no animal except humans consumes the baby milk of another species well into adult hood.

our digestive tract?
but the human body is technological - it's evolving - it's ever changing.


no other animals except adult humans consume baby milk...
no other animals can write a melody so rubbish to that of rick astley...
and?

 

[Structaural]

its about eating the right sort of meats.
sorry if i was unclear.
was thinking of the japanes, korean and meditarrean cultures - how they eat their foods compared to brits.

take the meditarrean as an example.
they consume higher quantities of fats than most countries in the west yet their heart disease, obesity and cancer rates are significantly lower.

They eat less red meat, more vegetables, more fish (they're actually worth eating there and those fats are almost entirely polyunsaturated.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Did anyone read that piece in the Guardian the other day? Chap is bringing a book out about how fucked up our relationship with food has become. His mantra:

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

I'm going to stick to that I think from now on. Seems eminently sensible.

Linky if you likey

 

[Structaural]

our digestive tract?
but the human body is technological - it's evolving - it's ever changing.

You been watching sci-fi or reading New Age material? How fast do you think evolution happens?

If you could point out the changes to our digestive tract over... say the last 100,000 years?

There's plenty of studies done on the effects of cow's milk on the average human, it's not particularly good. Almost everyone is lactose intolerant for instance of varying degrees.
Meat and milk is massive capitalistic product, that's the reason it's consumed so much. Not because it's inherent healthy.

 

[CharlieAddict]

They eat less red meat, more vegetables, more fish (they're actually worth eating there and those fats are almost entirely polyunsaturated.

yep that's it.
and over there food isn't marketed at all.
just passed down.
so none of this 'fat free' bollocks in their foods...

fish rocks! but recently, a friend of mine has made me feel guilty about the salmon i buy - apparently it's was never 'free' and lived an unhappy life.

 

[Brainaddict]

This is my main guide to healthy eating:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyramids.html

It's a food pyramid put together by harvard academics because they were concerned that the official US govt food pyramid had been shaped by pressure from lobbyists.

In summary the advice is: eat wholegrains and plant oils, lots of veg, fruit and nuts, some legumes and fish, and not too much red meat. This is what I stick to (in theory...) and I'll have none of your fancy diet fads or unscientific "Well I think..." around here thanks

 

[CharlieAddict]

You been watching sci-fi or reading New Age material? How fast do you think evolution happens?

If you could point out the changes to our digestive tract over... say the last 100,000 years?

There's plenty of studies done on the effects of cow's milk on the average human, it's not particularly good. Almost everyone is lactose intolerant for instance of varying degrees.
Meat and milk is massive capitalistic product, that's the reason it's consumed so much. Not because it's inherent healthy.

meat and milk are capitalist products.
but that doesn't mean it can't be healthy.

found this report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3870895.stm
there's a more recent one but i can't find it - check out Fitness Rocks, it's in there somewhere.

edited: took the 'un' out of 'healthy.'

 

[Structaural]

meat and milk are capitalist products.
but that doesn't mean it can't be healthy.

found this report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3870895.stm
there's a more recent one but i can't find it - check out Fitness Rocks, it's in there somewhere.

edited: took the 'un' out of 'healthy.'

I go with the expert (I think it's a correlation not causality):

Dr Richard Sullivan, head of clinical programmes at Cancer Research UK, described the findings as "interesting".

However, he added: "Epidemiological studies often yield interesting associations that later turn out not to be real.

"People shouldn¿t conclude on the basis of this study that drinking milk on a daily basis is going to prevent them getting colorectal cancer.

"No convincing mechanism by which milk could prevent cancer has been shown."

Also 'Fitness Rocks' seems to be a website selling a whole heap of stuff, not particularly unbiased.

 

[e∞a]

meat and milk are capitalist products.
but that doesn't mean it can't be healthy.

found this report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3870895.stm
there's a more recent one but i can't find it - check out Fitness Rocks, it's in there somewhere.

edited: took the 'un' out of 'healthy.'

this 3 years old articles indicated that the increase of 'calcium' may decrease the chances of colon cancer.

and

"No convincing mechanism by which milk could prevent cancer has been shown."

Dr Sullivan said the best way to reduce the risk of colorectal cancer was to eat balanced diet including plenty of fruit and vegetables and foods that are high in fibre, and reduce intake of fat and of red and processed meat.