The workers aren't loving it! Staff at Mc Donald's vote to strike for better pay and conditions.

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by tim, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Are you thick or dishonest?
    You have regularly mentioned being a tory voter, and you read the 'not one person' part, didn't you?
     
  2. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    Just you, by yourself. No wider social or economic context had any kind of effect at all.

    Presumably you are happy to take that same 100% share of the credit when stuff goes badly?
     
  3. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    :facepalm:
     
  4. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    Note the use of the passive voice here. The world is going to shit, not the world is being turned to shit. And definitely not, the world is being turned to shit by my tory chums.
     
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  5. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    What I said was that I have never cast my vote for a candidate that was elected. Fairly straightforward I would have thought.
     
  6. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    The shit, with regard to many pieces of shit started with your Labour chums, tuition fees, public sector pay freeze etc. So get off your fucking high horse.
     
  7. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    Yes, of course. You fuck up, that is your responsibility to sort out, not anyone else's.
     
  8. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    So why the career in medicine? Why not just let people take responsibility for their own failure to keep their blood on the inside?
     
  9. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    A straightforward fib, I'd have thought

     
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  10. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    What a strange question. It was interesting, and also helpful to your fellow man. People don't choose to be ill, but when ill they need help to recover. I'm a compassionate person, I will always help where I can. I no doubt come across as acerbic, but if you were in the shit, I would offer to help.

    I recognise the obligation to use your talents in a meaningful manner, hence time in nursing and pharmacy. We also as a household make regular charitable donations, and will still be able to do so in retirement.

    I'm not laying claim to being a paragon, far from it, but in 47 years of working life, I've been unemployed for six weeks. I've always taken whatever job was available. The low unemployment time is more to do with job availability than virtue, but, when you have a wife and daughter to support, you need to work. Back when we were first married, we were not well off, ends met, and that was about it. As time went on, things got better, and now in retirement, we are more than comfortably off.

    The reason I keep on at my grandson is simple. The last two jobs I've had, which comprise 24 years, required no formal qualifications at all. My 'current' job now requires educational qualifications which the majority of the people working there don't have. This appears to be the case across the board. Jobs which were previously got on interview alone, now need a whack of GCSEs or Highers as well. The whole ethos of the workplace is changing. It is a brutal fact that low skilled work is not well paid, and I don't see this changing.

    When we started in a brand new HMRC office, 96% of people belonged to PCS. As time has passed, this has dropped considerably, the last figure I heard was 60%. The reason for the loss of membership is the perceived uselessness of PCS. All that members got for their money was representation at disciplinary meetings, something that anyone can do on a 'companion' basis. Those who had a good tribunal case were told that PCS would not fund it. The union is in the doldrums. Mark Serwotka is desperately ill, he needs a heart transplant, but the union has stultified under his leadership. He should perhaps have taken extended leave, and let someone else take over the reins. When there is so little enthusiasm for the union per se, there is little appetite for strike action.

    The tendency on here to blame the conservative party for all the ills of the nation is risible. We had an extended period of Labour government, government which did nothing to reverse previous union legislation, employment legislation or pretty much anything else. Do you think for one moment that a Labour government would reverse the benefit cuts? Well if the leader was still Corbyn, then possibly. I suspect that even Corbyn when faced with the figures would not fully reverse things.

    Obviously, I cannot see into the future, but I can see the gap between the low paid and the well off widening over the last decade or so. The salaries paid to senior people in virtually all industries are obscene. It is absolutely wrong that at the top, a salary in the millions, at the bottom, minimum wage. The only way I see this changing is by legislation, but I don't see either of the main parties introducing it.
     
  11. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR A CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE THAT WAS ELECTED. I LIVE IN IN WEST LOTHIAN, WHICH WAS LABOUR FOR DECADES, AND IS CURRENTLY SNP. IS THAT CLEAR?
     
  12. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    still a bloody tory voter tho. hence, still part of the problem.

    but since this is the only thing you are arguing about, I assume you have given up on the claim that you got where you are solely through your own efforts.
     
  13. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    If can show me who else put me in any job, I will thank them. You won't find them though. I left home at eighteen, and have been looking after myself ever since. Through the good times, and the not so good times. The person that I do have to thank is Mrs Sas, because without her help and support over the last forty odd years, life would have been much much less pleasant. Even the bad times are better when there is someone by your side. She is the kindest person I have ever met, that said, she does have her moments. :eek: I am in no doubt regarding my shortcomings.
     
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  14. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    But they do choose to be unemployed, or stuck in a low-paying job?

    This idea of people looking after themselves and succeeding or failing on ther own merits regardless of social context doesn't hold any water and it never has. The zealots who defend this notion are only too happy to fall back on a social safety net when one of their mighty free enterprises goes belly up, and yet they tell us it's ideologically wrong to allow a mere individual to do the same.
     
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  15. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    well, that's one then. I am fairly sure you made some use of training services, such as education, that you have relied upon the skills of other people to do your job (and to do it effectively), that you have sometimes relied upon other people to correct errors you made but didn't notice, that you drove along roads other people built, etc etc. No ones life and fortune, good or otherwise, is solely down to them.
     
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  16. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    Your parents, teachers and friends who educated and supported you up to aged 18
    The managers who actually hired you
    The people who created and maintained the organisations you worked for before you worked there
    The people who created and maintained the organisations that the organisations that you worked for rely on for whatever reasons (and all the organisations they rely on)
    All the people in the teams you worked in whose work you relied on to complete yours
    All the people in the teams your team worked with, for or around, that your team needed to complete their work (and all the teams they rely on)
    All the customers or clients that required the services the organisations you worked for provided
    etc etc

    You are not alone, you live in a society and everyone is connected. Nothing you achieve is achieved on your own, you are always standing on the shoulders of those who came before you, with the support of those around you.
     
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  17. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    The safety net is there for all. It is something that, although I only used for a couple of weeks, I'm more than happy to contribute to for the benefit of all. I've paid tax and NI for one month short of 47 years. I've done my bit I think.
     
  18. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    No it's really not. Go and look at one the many, many heartbreaking threads on benefit sanctions, mistreatment of sick and disabled people, unpaid labour, a crumbling for-profit social care model, cuts to mental health services and the systematic and deliberate denial of a social safety net to those most in need of it.

    There's really no excuse for being so ignorant, or so fucking callous as to be in possession of the facts and still state that there's a safety net for all. Even the UN has openly stated that the disabled are systematically mistreated and abandoned by the British state.
     
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  19. seventh bullet

    seventh bullet red mullet

    It was a safety net stretched only a few centimetres above the hard floor when my mother was a single parent in the 1990s. She 'did her bit' as well. Things are even worse now.
     
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  20. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    I've had enough of your peevishness. You have not made your point.

    I am neither ignorant nor callous. You however, are hell bent on trying to make a vacuous point, which is that the social security system doesn't work. That is palpably untrue. The picture you paint is grossly exaggerated, to meet your somewhat warped political view. End of conversation as far as I'm concerned, go and 'rabble rouse' elsewhere, if you can find an audience.
     
  21. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    Yep, it was non existent, bar 90p a week in child allowance when we were starting out in the mid 70s. People with children, especially single parents get much more support now.
     
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  22. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    Go read the 'people for whom welfare cuts were too much to bear' thread. Then go and tell all those dead people about the safety net that saved them.
     
  23. campanula

    campanula plant a seed

    The level of ignorance is astonishing...and you have the gall to claim 'peevishness'. You have no idea and yet feel entirely qualified to spout conservative drivel. I see no reason whatsoever why you feel you need to name single parents as somehow having special support...when this is patently untrue. Once a Tory, eh...
     
  24. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    victory in seattle.
     
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  25. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    Details?
     
  26. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    just something I was reading here:
    Beyond $15
     
  27. BemusedbyLife

    BemusedbyLife Well-Known Member

    Does anyone know how this turned out? Googling it turns up nothing later than the threat of the strike at the beginning of September and neither of these places are remotely near where I live.
     
  28. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

  29. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Up the workers!
     
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  30. BemusedbyLife

    BemusedbyLife Well-Known Member

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