The Wire Season 5 Discussion - **Spoilers**

[revol68]

I think Butchers has a point, the whole newspaper, police and serial killer overlap is far too neat and McNulty and lesters shennanigans are abit too over the top.

Still even with that it's still great television, just seems they're looking to tie all the plot and story arches into one neat ending, though it might not happen.

 

[poului]

Yeah? full of people running stuff with no checks? and a newsroom boss going ok i believe you?

And i have no way to judge if they're accurate - the fact they feel exactly the same as any other media based segments...they're almost cliched media scenes

They're not necessarily the most accurate, just the most enlightening. I think it's fantastic that we have in Gus a character in which David Simon can essentially speak his own mind within the show.

 

[Dillinger4]

I reckon the newsroom is the bit that is dragging it down. The characters and situations seem a bit one dimensional.

 

[poului]

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Nah, I still think the media is the most suitable thing to focus on in its final installment.

 

[Dillinger4]

I am not saying it is not suitable. I am saying it doesn't seem as three dimensional as other institutions featured in the wire.

 

[butchersapron]

They're not necessarily the most accurate, just the most enlightening. I think it's fantastic that we have in Gus a character in which David Simon can essentially speak his own mind within the show.

The whole show is that though surely?

 

[poului]

I am not saying it is not suitable. I am saying it doesn't seem as three dimensional as other institutions featured in the wire.

That's what they said about the ports and town halls - until they saw the storylines' conclusions.

 

[Dillinger4]

As I said, I am reserving my judgment until it is over.

 

[butchersapron]

That's what they said about the ports and town halls - until they saw the storylines' conclusions.

Not true, was clear well before - that where part of the drama cam from.

Where were the big bang endings rather than simple working outs or left alones? Have we been watching the same series?

 

[poului]

The whole show is that though surely?

Not in the direct context of a journalist POV, which is what we finally see here. It gives the whole show greater insight into how personal a statement it is.

 

[poului]

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Look we don't know what the ending is going to be like!!! I think we can safely assume it's not what the currently available episodes will lead us to predict.

 

[butchersapron]

Not in the direct context of a journalist POV, which is what we finally see here. It gives the whole show greater insight into how personal a statement it is.

Whose POV then? Which character? There's no one's single perspectiv that we see it through and the only constant only looks at others and doesn't offer anything himself.

 

[butchersapron]

Look we don't know what the ending is going to be like!!! I think we can safely assume it's not what the currently available episodes will lead us to predict.

Better shut up then!

 

[Vintage Paw]

I think it's also important to remember Simon originally wanted 13 eps for this season, but the studio told him to piss off, that he could only have 10. If he's had to rewrite it to fit it's inevitable the natural flow of the previous 4 seasons will change.

You can achieve a hell of a lot in 3 episodes. In the previous 4 seasons we tend to have watched the final 3 eps back to back, because they seem to be where it all begins to get tied together. If it follows form, that's going to have to start in episode 8 instead of 11. Again, that doesn't leave much room for a well-rounded season.

Fucking studios.

 

[poului]

Whose POV then? Which character? There's no one's single perspectiv that we see it through and the only constant only looks at others and doesn't offer anything himself.

Not saying that, Simon is evidently wise enough to realise that his agenda is ultimately a partial and thus questionable aspect of his own fictional universe. It simply broadens our understanding of where he's coming from.

 

[butchersapron]

So when you say "Not in the direct context of a journalist POV, which is what we finally see here" who and what do you mean?

 

[poului]

Better shut up then!

You're the one banking on a predictable "big-bang" ending mate!


What's your thoughts? Gus wakes up to find out that the whole show's been a dream?

 

[poului]

So when you say "Not in the direct context of a journalist POV, which is what we finally see here" who and what do you mean?

Well, Gus surely, and to a lesser extent Templeton and Guiterrez. We haven't really seen much of any Baltimore journalists before.

Edit - I meant "direct context" in terms of some of the new characters, not the whole show.

 

[butchersapron]

I think it's also important to remember Simon originally wanted 13 eps for this season, but the studio told him to piss off, that he could only have 10. If he's had to rewrite it to fit it's inevitable the natural flow of the previous 4 seasons will change.

You can achieve a hell of a lot in 3 episodes. In the previous 4 seasons we tend to have watched the final 3 eps back to back, because they seem to be where it all begins to get tied together. If it follows form, that's going to have to start in episode 8 instead of 11. Again, that doesn't leave much room for a well-rounded season.

Fucking studios.

But for the writers of the wire, i still expect better. I'll put my optimists hat on now though.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think it's also important to remember Simon originally wanted 13 eps for this season, but the studio told him to piss off, that he could only have 10. If he's had to rewrite it to fit it's inevitable the natural flow of the previous 4 seasons will change.

You can achieve a hell of a lot in 3 episodes. In the previous 4 seasons we tend to have watched the final 3 eps back to back, because they seem to be where it all begins to get tied together. If it follows form, that's going to have to start in episode 8 instead of 11. Again, that doesn't leave much room for a well-rounded season.

Fucking studios.

material culled for the rumoured film? we can only hope

 

[butchersapron]

You're the one banking on a predictable "big-bang" ending mate!


What's your thoughts? Gus wakes up to find out that the whole show's been a dream?

I'm not mate, i'm saying that the lead uo to whatever, has been shit and generic, that i can see why this might help a later pay off though, but that's going to have to be one pretty fucking pig to make it worth it.

 

[butchersapron]

What does gus even say/do?

 

[poului]

Some interesting info on the last episode,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/–30–

Title reference
"–30–" is a journalistic term that has been used to signify "the end" or "over and out" since the Civil War when telegraphers tapped "XXX" to end transmissions ("XXX" being the Roman numeral for 30).

Epigraph
“ ...the life of kings. - H.L. Mencken ”

The running time of this episode is 93 minutes, making it the longest episode of the series

Looks like the series is virtually 11 episodes long then.

 

[poului]

What does gus even say/do?

I know that Simon describes him as the ideal image of a senior colleague/advisor for a young journalist.

 

[poului]

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Come on, it can't be shit!!

 

[butchersapron]

I know that Simon describes him as the ideal image of a senior colleague/advisor for a young journalist.

All he does is observe and keep his mouth shut. Yeah, i guess him not doing that will part of the blow up but...day-to-day?

 

[poului]

All he does is observe and keep his mouth shut. Yeah, i guess him not doing that will part of the blow up but...day-to-day?

Well he can't just tell the dickhead bosses to get stuffed or there won't be an office for him to come back to.

 

[butchersapron]

Well he can't just tell the dickhead bosses to get stuffed or there won't be an office for him to come back to.

That's why i said his blow up will come, if it does, at the end. Come On!

 

[butchersapron]

Isn't there a thesd for predictions? I need to read that that one.

 

[poului]

Screw this I'm just going to fall back on my previous retort,

Come on, it can't be shit!!

preview for episode 8 btw