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The Wheel Of Time novels - Robert Jordan.

i've done a massive fantasy binge on my kindle. i read all of robin hobbs' stuff then i started on brandon sanderson then i found out he was finishing wheel of time so i got the first book of that.

and man it's not as easy to get into as the rest. i'm 44% into the first book and i kinda feel like that scene from matilda where my chocolate cake style binge of fantasy has now turned into a epic struggle to finish stuff.

also so far this book is so tolkien it hurts.
 
i'm just waiting for the last book to be released. I've read all the others so i sort of have to finish it after reading 10-11 doorsteps. Note the bdsm undertones in jordans work
 
WoT can go fuck itself with a large wooden spoon. I read the first 6 or so thinking it would get better. It fucking well didn't. Eventually off-loaded them all to a 2nd hand bookshop, could barely even get rid of them.
 
i'm just waiting for the last book to be released. I've read all the others so i sort of have to finish it after reading 10-11 doorsteps. Note the bdsm undertones in jordans work
That's how I feel about it now, I've got this far so I have to see it through to the bitter end...
 
It's not a bad story but it's overlong. I started the series when 3 of the books had been published, when I was 18. I'm now 36 and still waiting for the whole thing to be wrapped up. I think if I'd read the series with shorter gaps in between it would have been easier to follow some of the subplots and minor characters.
 
Never been a fan and fantasy is not really a genre I have ever enjoyed but for me Robert Jordan has a lot to say about what writing fiction is about and I think anybody with an interest in literature should listen to the man. This is what he wrote a while ago on the subject.....

Put up or shut up

If you want to be a writer, go be an accountant. If you want to write, write.

I know a lot of people who want to be a writer, and it's a very different thing from wanting to write.

It doesn't do any good to think about writing. It doesn't do any good to talk about writing. It doesn't do any good to go to cafés and sit there in your black turtle neck sweater with a coffee or beer and impress the girls with the fact that you are a writer, if what you have is the same three chapters sitting in a drawer that have been there for the last five years.

You write. You send it to a publisher. And when you've put it in the mail, you start writing again.

You send it to a publisher because the act of creation is not complete until you have an observer. It doesn't matter whether it's writing, or painting, or sculpting. If a painter sticks a painting in a closet, if a sculptor throws a drop cloth over the sculpture, the act of creation is not complete. Completion happens when you put it in front of an observer.

I don't think so many people want to write—I think people want to be writers. Dorothy Parker said, 'I love having written, but I hate writing.' I think it's the same with a lot of people. And everybody believes that they have a story in them—everyone wants to believe that they could do it if they wanted to.

They think they have a story, and maybe they do. But just because you have a story inside you, doesn't mean you can write it, any more than having a gallstone means you can pass it. I no longer believe that everybody can write. It's not that easy.

*******

To write, you have to have discipline. The discipline can vary. It depends on what other job you have. If you say, 'I'm going to write one hour a day seven days a week,' that's enough if you have another job. It's a commitment.

Maybe you'll say, 'I'm going to write one page that every day that I'm satisfied with. If I knock it out in ten minutes, I'll quit. If I have to sit there half a night, I'll stay with it.' If you do that, at the end of a year you've got 365 pages of manuscript and that is not a fat novel, but it's a novel.

For me, I write seven days a week, 8-10 hours a day, sometimes more. This is how I make my living. I don't have to go off to an office or a factory.

If my wife wants us to go somewhere for a day, that's fine. But there've been times when she's actually brought me down to the front porch where I've found a fishing guide waiting. She'll say, 'The man has already been paid to take you fishing. Go get in his truck. Go!'

I just see my life continuing until it ends. I intend to live! Most people exist. They simply do the job, go home, go to sleep, get up, go to work, go home, go to sleep. And it's understandable if you have a factory job—you can get very tired, you don't want to live. I'm lucky.

I know my life is going to end.

I was 19 when I realized I was going to die for sure. On my first tour in Vietnam the helicopter I was in blew up and threw me into the jungle. I got up and ran back through the lines of an NVA ambush—I didn't know it was there—I just knew the other chopper was in that direction.

This knowledge changes your view of the world. I think it gives you a certain maturity. Perhaps maturity is the knowledge that everything is going to change, that neither you nor anything you see is going to go on forever*
 
tbf, he isn't a very good writer.

I cannot honestly comment because I have actually read any of the books but he is a man who manages to sell a lot of books and do something he obvious loves for a living and thus I think he is worth listening to on the subject.
 
Is it just me or does Jordan have a worrying fixation on corpral punishment? not a chapter goes by (And I've read 'em all so far) without someone getting switched, birched or whipped

Have you read Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series? 11 books worth of bizarre fixations and he could teach Jordan a thing or two about dragging a story out. It should have been 3 books shorter at least. Pages of interminable rambling about good vs evil. But I still read it. I have to ask myself why. I have no answer.
 
I couldn't get past the second book.

I found it rather misogynist to be honest. Why do fantasy novelists return to tired old stereotypes and cliches? Where is the imagination to write about a different kind of society instead of transporting a sort of backward medievalism into it?

At least GoF had some kick-ass women and girls, this was all little women making bread while men went on adventures. Plus his writing is shit. Overly elaborate Tolkein-isms.
 
Blimey this thread is so old that it's well past the "smells bad and covered in blowflies" stage!

I enjoyed the first and second book of the series, struggled through the third, and gave up about halfway through the forth. Decent (although clichéd) premise, drawn out for way too long - and I cannot read that much descriptive text - give me the feeling and atmosphere of a place, don't describe every stone used to build it! WoT actually put me off fantasy literature for a long period of time which is a shame. I agree with whoever said (back in 2006 or whenever!) that Feist's Riftworld is better, tbh I went off that too after a while but Magician is fairly bloody brilliant and well worth a read.
 
I read them all out of masochism and an unwillingness to give up.

Disturbingly he was alright at writing about Matt who was about the only character I gave a damn about, sadly he's not terribly well written by his replacment.

Everyone else can fuck off, especially the Amyrillan (all of them)
 
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