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The Virtues: Shane Meadows

In summary - worth watching or not?
(not trying to be a dick - just wondering what people think in the round - some complex opinions here)
 
Very much worth watching and I think quite unparalleled in recent tv. The soundtrack by PJ Harvey, the very slow style of filmmaking which I read is inspired by world cinema. Also addresses the recent sexual abuse scandals as I don't think any other recent artwork has done.

Google Shane Meadows Miranda Sawyer for some of the background. Can't link - also TW for upsetting content.
 
Very much worth watching and I think quite unparalleled in recent tv. The soundtrack by PJ Harvey, the very slow style of filmmaking which I read is inspired by world cinema. Also addresses the recent sexual abuse scandals as I don't think any other recent artwork has done.

Google Shane Meadows Miranda Sawyer for some of the background. Can't link - also TW for upsetting content.

Thanks for the post. I know Shane cos we go to the same local(s) and also I’m involved with local film, but actually
not that familiar with his stuff. :thumbs:
 
In summary - worth watching or not?
(not trying to be a dick - just wondering what people think in the round - some complex opinions here)

If you're not familiar with his stuff I'd be tempted to start with the films from the beginning with A Room for Romeo Brass and work from there. There's one before that but I've not managed to find it.

Not seen Dead Man's Shoes?...one of the best films of the noughties imo.
 
specifically, he makes WC characters unworldly in their decency and often without any flaws. He also makes their enemies very one dimensional and cartoonish. At its worst, it objectively detracts from the point the film is seeking to make.
I think this is more true of his recent work than his older work. There's no way that you can say Liam from Sweet Sixteen is without flaws.

Even in his more modern work there are some shades, Cillian Murphy's character in Wind That Shakes the Barley commits an act that deeply flaws him, the antagonist priest of Jimmy's Hall is given enough of a character background that you can understand his views, even if they repel you. But the writing quality of his films has gone downhill. The cartoonishness is most obvious in the endings, I can't think of a recent work that hasn't gone for a melodramatic ending, Daniel dying, the silly ending of Looking for Eric. Compare those with Sweet Sixteen or even Ae Fond Kiss, let alone Kes and you see quite a stark difference.
 
Just watched the first two back to back. Bloody hell. Give Graham a BAFTA right now.

The pub scene, my god. I've seen that - and been that - so often. It was dead on.

I cried when he somehow found the strength to put the cap back on the bottle in the playground.

For all it's about two dark subjects in child abuse and alcoholism - both very personal to me - I can't wait for the next episode.
 
My mum and dad and brother, independently, all love this. But my sister in law had to abandon it for its grimness.

I've been watching GoT and Years and Years and enjoying them, but The Virtues is the one I can't wait for.
The acting, the directing, the music- it's all perfect to me.
Shane Meadows really is a master of the art.

I wondered if he'd do an American film, but then KL, ML and various other great European directors never have, even if it meant a big payday
 
I managed to watch the second episode, I’m glad I did, the story is developing and I have put away the darkness the first episode dredged up.
Hoping there is some closure with this.
 
I've been used to some explosive incident in Meadows previous films and TV but starting to think there won't be one this time.

Kind of like Dead Man's Shoes, in Joe's mind he's become a monster. An alcoholic unable to be a father to his son. I imagine the ending will be his redemption in the sharing of what happened to him.
 
Is there any way of skipping the ads on All 4? I can't even look at another tab as it somehow knows and pauses.
 
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