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The USA's Human Rights Leadership

Ok, many of the human rights laws in germany are a reaction to what the Nazis did to the jewish people.

So, for example, if the Nazis made it illegal for jewish people to own a business, the german consitution may have made it a fundamental right for everyone to own a business.

Now that does not mean that the state will finance such a business, it just means that the state cannot denie anyone the right to run such a business.

I think something similar is happening here.
 
The United States gives almost THREE times more money/aid/food to poor countrys than the rest of the WORLD combined.
Uh.. if ya didnt know.
 
The United States gives almost THREE times more money/aid/food to poor countrys than the rest of the WORLD combined.
Uh.. if ya didnt know.

Totally inaccurate: over 55% [of development and aid funds] come from the EU. The US is rubbish in all that and the funds frequently have the strings attached they themselves would never accept...

A lot of the rest of uncritical apologetic shite is... well, just that - shite!!!
 
The United States gives almost THREE times more money/aid/food to poor countrys than the rest of the WORLD combined.
Uh.. if ya didnt know.

Hey Travis,

Are you going to pick up black guys in your cab, now you've got a "homey" in the whitehouse??

You lying sack of shit.
 
Facts... The REAL facts!!!

I already wrote about it here and gave the source! Loads of them. That's why the EU, among other reasons, is called the soft force and so on. Most of it is given through individual countries and some of it through EU.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=th...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://ec.europa.eu/development/index_en.cfm

Also: EU Competition by Dr. P. Lambach, p. 136-7:

"The EU and its members provide 55% of global development aid and are thus the greatest donors of financial aid. The EU will provide roughly 50 billion Euro for poorer regions in the period 2007 - 2013:

- roughly 24 b. Euro for ACP countries (Africa, Caribbean and Pacific)

- roughly 12 b. for neighbouring countries (e.g. Algeria, Lebanon, Russia, the Ukraine)

- roughly 10 billion for Latin America, Asia, the Near East and South Africa

- roughly 5.6 b. Euro are planned for food safety, education, environment and non-governmental organisations.

The main instruments of the European Development Policy are: international agreements with individual developing countries or groups of countries; a general preferential system to facilitate the access of products from developing countries to the EU market; financial and technical support; humanitarian aid."

Now, please stop swallowing the US shitty propaganda wholesale like really gullible little children, some of yous...:(:hmm:
 
I already wrote about it here and gave the source! Loads of them. That's why the EU, among other reasons, is called the soft force and so on. Most of it is given through individual countries and some of it through EU.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=th...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://ec.europa.eu/development/index_en.cfm

Also: EU Competition by Dr. P. Lambach, p. 136-7:

"The EU and its members provide 55% of global development aid and are thus the greatest donors of financial aid. The EU will provide roughly 50 billion Euro for poorer regions in the period 2007 - 2013:

- roughly 24 b. Euro for ACP countries (Africa, Caribbean and Pacific)

- roughly 12 b. for neighbouring countries (e.g. Algeria, Lebanon, Russia, the Ukraine)

- roughly 10 billion for Latin America, Asia, the Near East and South Africa

- roughly 5.6 b. Euro are planned for food safety, education, environment and non-governmental organisations.

The main instruments of the European Development Policy are: international agreements with individual developing countries or groups of countries; a general preferential system to facilitate the access of products from developing countries to the EU market; financial and technical support; humanitarian aid."

Now, please stop swallowing the US shitty propaganda wholesale like really gullible little children, some of yous...:(:hmm:

There are 27 countries in the EU, iirc

So divide your numbers by 27 and then compare it with the US.
 
And maybe you need a lobotomy, sir?:rolleyes:

You wanna compare Luxembourg to the US?:rolleyes:

Sad people sometimes...:hmm::(
 
How about going per country: say Sweden to the US, per head of the population or per GDP or... Fancy doing it on a like-for-like basis? Only the really developed parts of the EU in relation to the US? Or maybe just the main countries, so we have it all very similar, i.e. forget Bulgarias and Romanias of the EU and include the Scandinavian countries, Benelux, Germany, France, the UK and see then?

[Jeez...:hmm:]
 
And maybe you need a lobotomy, sir?:rolleyes:

You wanna compare Luxembourg to the US?:rolleyes:

Sad people sometimes...:hmm::(

It's ma'am, actually, but no worries.

OK - what did I miss - you said the EU gives more than the US. The States is only country, the EU is a collection of 27 countries.

If you don't like the idea of comparing apples to apples, then maybe we should add a couple of countries to the US list, just to balance it out.

Btw - how much does the US give out in aid?
 
Warning: I just stepped on some people's sense of superiority...:p Very dangerous...:rolleyes: Sorry, Miss, shall we take it from the beginning?

The above poster stated that the US gives in aid MORE THAN THE ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED!!!! Chew on that fact...

And then there'll be some munchin' to do on the facts I provided. Which go against it 10000000000% percent and show through this factual inaccuracy/fallacy/myth/propaganda to the bone...

Moreover, Miss, you did miss a helluvalot, including my challenge a post before yours: you wanna compare like for like? Go for it, let me teach you a lesson on the US "generosity", I dare you - IF you continue to ignore the principles mentioned... From the strings attached [the Bible Belt kind] onwards...

And then, once again, let's compare like for like: developed EU for developed US, per capita or per GDP ratio etc. Be my guest.

But first: do not be lazy - I provided figures... NOW YOUR turn!!!!!!!!! I dare you!!! [Some cheek - I should provide figures even for her side...:hmm: Christ almighty...:rolleyes:]
 
There are 27 countries in the EU, iirc

So divide your numbers by 27 and then compare it with the US.

There are 50 states in the USA, iirc

So divide your numbers by 50 and then compare it with Europe.

Interesting flurry of posts there: Rentonite makes wild inacccurate claim, Gorsky makes counterclaim, JC doesn't want sources for Rentonite's claim but only Gorsky's. Gorsky gives thorough documentation, then nothing from JC and spring-peeper tries to shift the argument. Neatly done lads and laddesses.
 
It's ma'am, actually, but no worries.

OK - what did I miss - you said the EU gives more than the US. The States is only country, the EU is a collection of 27 countries.

If you don't like the idea of comparing apples to apples, then maybe we should add a couple of countries to the US list, just to balance it out.

Btw - how much does the US give out in aid?

Ah, US aid. the selfless darlings that they are.

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Although little known outside corporate circles, Eximbank is a major instrument of U.S. foreign policy.
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While many elements of the government have suffered cutbacks, Eximbank has expanded. Bank exposure rose from $12 billion in 1980 to $53 billion in 1995.
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Most Eximbank financing backs the exports of large transnational corporations like Boeing, GE, and Westinghouse. Small businesses account for only 12-15% of Eximbank's total financing.

The Export-Import Bank (Eximbank) is an “independent,” wholly owned government corporation that assists U.S. corporations with financing exports of U.S. goods and services. In 1934 the U.S. Congress established Eximbank to increase employment in the export sector.

Although little known outside corporate circles, Eximbank is a major instrument of U.S. foreign policy. The executive branch frequently employs Eximbank financing to reward countries that adopt policies serving U.S. political and economic interests.

http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol1/eximbank.html


Or for a more republican take,

As you would naturally expect, the violence at the root of farm subsidies begets more violence. In underdeveloped countries, locally-grown goods are often much more expensive than heavily-subsidized American imports. Poor farmers are thus unable to compete – and, since these countries lack the capital and stability to compete in the manufacturing sector, destitute farmers have little choice but to turn to the government for employment, or crime for survival. Thus the public sector swells, crime increases – and hey, whadaya you know, but here come the Americans with wonderful foreign aid packages. These packages always seem to contain lots of fine print about buying US goods, hiring US companies, and purchasing US weapons, but no matter – there’s always a boatload of lovely greenbacks left over to line the pockets of local warlords!

This is how the cycle of violence escalates throughout the world. US taxpayers are forced to subsidize domestic farmers; foreign countries retaliate with tariffs; the US government retaliates with counter-tariffs, which raises the price of goods for US citizens. Undercut by subsidized US farm products, destitute foreign farmers turn to public-sector employment – or even more direct forms of criminality – and thus US taxpayers are further preyed upon to pay for foreign aid programs.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston30.html

In this, as in so many other cases the US public have been sold a crock, and like the gullible indoctrinated people that they are they believe these fairy tales.
 
There are 50 states in the USA, iirc

So divide your numbers by 50 and then compare it with Europe.

Interesting flurry of posts there: Rentonite makes wild inacccurate claim, Gorsky makes counterclaim, JC doesn't want sources for Rentonite's claim but only Gorsky's. Gorsky gives thorough documentation, then nothing from JC and spring-peeper tries to shift the argument. Neatly done lads and laddesses.

hmmm - spring-peeper was enjoying the thread, but just wishes that people would compare similar things.

oooh - lets divide by the number of cities in each region and compare.

no, huh?

ok - let's compare countries to countries and region to region. Any clue what the NAFTA group contributes?
 
So, how about developed to developed countries: say Scandinavia. Say, Sweden. Per capita? GDP ratio? And strings not attached as opposed to the US.

Shall we?
 
Or do you want 300 million to 300 million: Germany, UK, France, Benelux and Scandinavia to the US?

[Why are you doing this, btw?:confused:]
 
Or do you want 300 million to 300 million: Germany, UK, France, Benelux and Scandinavia to the US?

[Why are you doing this, btw?:confused:]

no clue- you seem to be the one continuing on with this instead of admitting that comparing a union of countries aid is not the same as an individual country.
 
The United States gives almost THREE times more money/aid/food to poor countrys than the rest of the WORLD combined.
Uh.. if ya didnt know.

That was the original quote that Gorski answered, lets go back to that shall we? Gorski has given detailed figures to show how it is wrong. Have you got figures that show different?
 
The US is - a Union by name and by structure, it seems to me... and the EU is slowly getting there. Nothing below the belt, I thought. One big market and policies compared to another. Nothing out of the ordinary. Some parts of the US are shite, some parts of the EU are shite. Not really unlike-for-unlike, broadly speaking.

But it is YOU, dear Miss, continuously evading the challenges laid down, so I claim my prize: you are the weakest link - goodbye!:rolleyes::p:D
 
Over the last 20 years, annual official development assistance (ODA) has been between US$ 50bn and US$60bn but has reached over $100bn in 2005.[2] The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms ($15.7 billion, 2003), but the smallest among developed countries as a percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003). The UN target for development aid is 0.7% of GDP; currently only five countries (with Norway in the lead with 0.92%) achieve this.

Saudi Arabia’s ODA volume is second only to the USA.[3] As percentage of GDP, Arab states of the Persian Gulf are the most generous, with Kuwait contributing 8.2% of its gross national product and Saudi Arabia 4% in 2002.[4]

Private contributions also make a significant, albeit harder to track, contribution to development aid. Private donations in the US are estimated to be at least $34 billion a year, broken down as such:

* International giving by US foundations: $1.5 billion per year
* Charitable giving by US businesses: $2.8 billion annually
* American NGOs: $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
* Religious overseas ministries: $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
* US colleges scholarships to foreign students: $1.3 billion
* Personal remittances from the US to developing countries: $18 billion in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_aid
 

I'm sure that inlcudes stuff like the NED does, the Xtian 'purity ring' type missionaries in Africa, payments of tax-payers money to Pharmacorps in UN mandated donations in the fight against AIDS and the likes of Halliburton and Bechtel for reconstruction in the developing world, funding and training to 3rd world militaries, the backing of courses etc at places like the Catholic University of Chile and SOA...

Most USG aid could probably be described as strategic, pro-corporate or even interventionist in nature. There are all kinds of ways of using the "aid" label to do all sorts of things. It's about as useful as officially being classified a religion.

There's loads of genuine US charity as well of course but I suspect that's the stuff people do on a more grass-roots level (American hatred of 'socialism' also propably affects their attitude to charitable giving). Percentage per head at grass roots levels might even rival what's sent by countries in Europe or even the money sent back to families and communities by economic migrants ("illegals" for instance) working in the US and Europe. The US is known to spend the least amount of its national wealth on aid though (and the most on its military). The US spends alot on military aid for instance to Isreal and Indonesia.
 
Thing is though, aid has almost always had a political dimension and it's almost impossible to separate the two, especially when major ideologically-driven governments like those of the US (or for that matter the EU) are involved. It's not like the US does this stuff out of the goodness of its heart. It expects to get something for its money, usually political influence.

Some very interesting discussion in this essay about the political dynamics of agricultural development aid since WW2 here:

http://libcom.org/files/cleavercontradictions_0.pdf
 
Will be an innteresting read...

But some, including the Rockefeller Foundation, were worried about a basic cause of revolutionary upheaval: the conflict or contradiction between a rapidly growing, poverty-stricken population and the inability of colonial and neocolonial capitalism to provide enough food. They saw that the outgrowth of this contradiction, hunger, was a major Communist ally in Asia and that one way to fight it would be with food.

This association between food production and anti-Communism was quite conscious. Though it may seem a bit unsophisticated today, when anti-Communism is called humanitarian intervention in the academic community, during the 1950s the relation was discussed quite openly. “The major problem in the struggle to keep South and Southeast Asia free of Communist domination,” wrote Fulbright scholar John King in Foreign Affairs in 1953, “is the standard of living of their peoples . . . . The struggle of the ‘East’ versus the ‘West’ in Asia is, in part, a race for production, and rice is the symbol and substance of it.”12

Nor was this view new. Food was already an old weapon in the anti-Communist arsenal of American capitalism. After the First World War Herbert Hoover had wielded food relief against “Bolshevist insurrection” in Eastern Europe --sometimes offering, sometimes withholding food aid to support anti-Communist forces.13 Toward the close of the Second World War the United States funneled food and other economic aid to Chang Kai-shek in China through the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration. At the end of the war, major food aid was sent to France and Italy to help stave off famine and growing Communist-led unrest. After the initial emergency shipments, food was kept flowing to a shaky Europe through the Marshall Plan. These aid-financed exports subsidized U.S. farm prices, and production soared.

In the early 1950s when aid fell off, commercial demand failed to grow apace. The result was rapidly accumulating surpluses and sagging food prices. A struggle over farm legislation ensued between those farmers who wanted support prices and those free traders of the elite, inside and outside the State Department, who feared the impact on world markets, and hence on Third-World stability, of high U.S. prices and subsidized dumping. The immediate outcome for several years was that the farmers got their support prices and the surplus problem grew. But in 1954 the elite got Public Law 480 which put a new food weapon into their not unwilling hands.14 Hubert H. Humphrey, one of those most responsible for P.L. 480, saw its potential this way: “I have heard . . . that people may become dependent on us for food. I know that was not supposed to be good news. To me that was good news, because before people can do anything they have got to eat. And if you are looking for a way to get people to lean on you and to be dependent on you, in terms of their cooperation with you, it seems to me that food dependence would be terrific . . ."
 
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