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The Trump presidency

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by brogdale, Jan 20, 2017.

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  1. TomUS

    TomUS non-resident

    Now back to Iran....It's never been clear to me exactly who Iran is terrorizing.
    Tillerson warns an Iran left 'unchecked' could follow North Korea's path
     
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  2. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

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  3. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    and along the oil industry news

    Federal Judge: Public Has No Right To Know About Dakota Pipeline Spill Risks
     
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  4. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

  5. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    In The WSJ Trump Toughens Talk on Canada
    Big Cheese!
     
  6. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    I can't read your link :(



    From what I understand about the dairy is that the US dairy industry is a mess. Many states actually pour the milk down the drain. This is not Canada's fault.

    Canada started producing the ultra-filtered milk and our local cheese industries started using the local milk product. The plant in Wisconsin only had one client (Canada), so the plant has shut down. 75 dairy farmers were given 1 month notice. Again, not Canada's fault.

    As for any claims that we are dumping milk products onto the US market - nope - US has a trade surplus in this area.
     
  7. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    It's coming up as pay walled for me now.

    Trump is simply responding to US lobbyists. I do recall dairy has been a sticky issue in all Canadian trade talks.
     
  8. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Bloomberg Farmers Beef With Trump Over ‘Big Meat’
    Swampy.
     
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  9. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    Some interesting facts

    http://thechronicleherald.ca/novasc...e-dairy-industries-in-both-canada-and-the-u.s.
     
  10. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Supply management is literally driving tens of thousands of Canadians into poverty


    How Canada's zany dairy system affects daily life, from cheese bandits to dessert-starved Newfoundlanders

    Anytime anyone around here crosses the line, they stock up on cheese and milk at US stores - it costs half as much or less down there.
     
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  11. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    An article from 2010:

    Let go of our dairy and poultry protectionism

    It's interesting: Trump rails against Canada's dairy supply management system; but he also says 'buy American', and is against globalization.

    But Canada's supply management system gives a good snapshot of how the world would look, if Trump succeeded in restricting world trade, resulting in protectionist national trade barriers.
     
  12. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Japan Times U.S. dairy farmers worry NAFTA renegotiation could harm Mexico trade
    US farmers not exactly being broken on the wheel of NAFTA.
     
  13. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    Looking in the other direction.

    On Academia.edu NAFTA and the Milking of Dairy Farmers in Central Mexico
    Of course this would fuck over Mexican dairy farmers to advantage far richer US producers but we hardly ever hear about that in US discourse.

    Such is the way with trade deals. Interesting that Canada protected it's farmers so strongly. Probably reflects a stronger Agri lobby in Canada.
     
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    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

  15. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    So, Basically: Trumpism means protectionism, nativism and economic nationalism for America, and globalism and neoliberalism for everyone else.
    What a surprise!
     
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  16. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    Trump always says he's for "free trade" it just has to be "fair". What he means by that is the arrangement screw the other guy to the US's benefit. He's an old fashioned screw you capitalist.

    But this isn't straight forward as essential it's a complex game between domestic lobby groups who actually have rival interests. I think Trump really had no understanding of trade and it's beginning to dawn on him that this is a political nightmare as different lobbyists represent different domestic constituencies. You frig with something like NAFTA to benefit US car workers and lots of US farmers can end up going bust as you trade away their advantages. You bugger up US car part supply chains and those car workers are going to be redundant anyway. Overtime there are benefits through increased trade but a lot of folks can get flattened in periods of transition.

    Trump's not alone in this I don't think leading British Brexiteers had a clue about the complexities of trade. Trump may actually be a cooler head as he's really not looking like being about to shred NAFTA. He's even coming back over the same ground as was discussed for TPP. That said he's wildly inconsistent and could cancel NAFTA tomorrow. Then it would expire in six months causing chaos.
     
  17. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    Also, tbf, Canada has that much bigger a punch - and less of a glass jaw - in trade negotiation and diplomatic circles
     
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  18. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    It's also possible the Mexicans thought still being low productivity farmers was what was what ailed Mexicans in the late 20th century rather than a good thing. Something they'd rather trade to the stupid gringos and instead grab some of those auto assembly jobs the country badly needed. It may be rough on the peons but a lot of other Mexicans did well out of it. You have to wonder a little about the wisdom of the US and Canada in cultivating low productivity industries but then they had the wealth to indulged in such foibles.
     
  19. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

    America is truly blessed by God as is fitting for the Lord's chosen people.
     
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  20. spring-peeper

    spring-peeper Well-Known Member

    Around these parts, people from Quebec come to Ontario to get their milk. The largest dairy producing province and the highest prices.
     
  21. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 US election - documents
     
  22. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    35 psychiatrists just met at Yale to warn Donald Trump has a 'dangerous mental illness'
     
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  23. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    I find, when searching for 'trump news' etc., that the most inflammatory headlines and stories come from The Independent.

    I've taken to searching using ' -independent'
     
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  24. yield

    yield zero

    The British newspapers the Independent and the Evening Standard are owned by Russian Billionaire and Oligarch Alexander Lebedev who is ex-KGB.

    He also own the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta which is critical of Putin.
     
  25. yield

    yield zero

    Not that I have much hope it would be great if Donald Trump could get off his neo liberal and billionaire cabinet script and address the opiate epidemic in the USA.

    West Virginia now has a lower life expectancy than Bangladesh. The opiate epidemic is many times worse than the heroin epidemic after the Vietnam War or the Crack epidemic of the 1980's.

    Deaths of depair and that. Little hope I know. After all caring is *just* socialism. But you never know.
     
  26. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Sailing a gravy boat

    Though tbf Trump is dangerously fucking insane :(
     
  27. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Sailing a gravy boat

    Jared Kushner is on the case with that one, allegedly :hmm::facepalm:
     
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  28. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I ran into this today by chance:

    The Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, and It Is Not What You Think | The Huffington Post
     
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  29. yield

    yield zero

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  30. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Or as Winston Churchill put it:
    “We shape our dwellings and afterwards our dwellings shape us.”
     
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