The true cost of cheap chicken
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London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I didn't read that from the linked article.TAE said:
I don't mean to be facetious but we humans all avoid things for many reasons other than what we call ‘pain’.
I’m just asking the questions, is all; are chickens sentient as we understand it, and do they feel pain as we understand it – for all I know of the issue they could be as aware as are chimps, or bananas.
FridgeMagnet
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Does anyone apart from me feel pain? For all I know they don't. In fact, are they conscious at all?London_Calling said:
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
I grew up about a mile from a chicken factory and they used to drive the birds past every week and the road would be full of shit. At an early age i decided it wasn't good to eat an animal that lived in shit.
The intensively-raised stuff just ain;t chicken. it's just a pile of hormones and antibiotics that had a beating heart for a few weeks. I'd ban that shit completely. It gives you manboobs.
The intensively-raised stuff just ain;t chicken. it's just a pile of hormones and antibiotics that had a beating heart for a few weeks. I'd ban that shit completely. It gives you manboobs.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
corporate whore said:My first thought is - 855 million chickens bred for meat in the UK each year!
That's - what? - about 13 whole chickens for every man, woman and child in the country.
8 pieces of chicken and fries for £2.99 on every street in the country is a big part of the problem.
Like has been said on the political predictions thread (albeit for different reasons), our dietary habits need to change.
someone is eating my share of chicken then. we have an organic free range chicken roast dinner once a month costing around £6 for a bird. the rest of the time we eat organic beef, wild venison and game, or beans n vegetables. we have fish maybe once or twice a month.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
Poot said:
Yup, has to be organic or nothing for me with eggs.
pinkmonkey said:It's very processed, so I don't know - it's a bit scientific, grown in big vats.
At least it's low fat. I actually don't like chicken breasts much, they can be as dry and stringy aand tasteless as....um ....a ball of string, so there's no point now I've discovered Quorn.
Because quorn pieces are similar in shape and size to sugar cubes we debated making a 'Quorn Turkey' at Christmas time, building block style.
If you are buying Quorn you should be aware that only the products with the Vegeterian Society logo use free range eggs.When Quorn first came onto the market they were using battery eggs in all thier products.When the BBC reported this the company worked with the Veg. Society to change this practice BUT not on all thier products.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
cockneyrebel said:
1. I'm by no means on a lovely middle income but i don't find it too difficult to generally avoid directly contributing whether that's through buying ethical or second hand. And I avoid the meat thing by simply not eating meat. Easy. Of course the problem is that most people care more about their chicken sandwich than animal cruelty.
2. Horrific. You still eating chicken?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
_angel_ said:
Yeah, I have real trouble with processed food and egg to the extent that I basically don't bother with processed food and quorn and shite like that at all. My diet is basically fresh veg and pasta now and i feel so much healthier than when i used to eat processed shite and the rubbish i was brought up on.
But yeah it is pretty shocking. I asked BUAV if I could join and they said I had to be a vegetarian to join. Oh well! I got a free keyring.cockneyrebel
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On a wider level, no. I don't think that animal welfare will get any better under capitalism. Not surprising given the barbaric conditions that most of the planet live under.
Factory farming has got worse and worse, and so has experiments on animals. Consumer pressure is a dead end. And when it comes to stuff like clothing and other goods it's actually counter productive in many cases and not what the workers in sweat shops want.
Of course a vegetarian diet can be cheap (Quorn if fucking expensive though). But not everyone is gonna become vegetarian and clearly free range meat is a lot dearer and many people just can't afford it.
As for whether animals suffer pain, I don't think there is any doubt of that whatsoever either in wider society or in science.
What's BUAV?
As it goes I'm a vegetarian but don't feel the need to make any deal out of it.
British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection.
http://www.buav.org/index.php
Why? Because it's too profitable?
http://www.buav.org/index.php
Why? Because it's too profitable?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Oh dear, a pompous prat moment. Do you well up watching Chicken Run?FridgeMagnet said:
Fwiw, . . . if you can avoid attacking the poster for a moment, please post links to any relevant science.
scifisam
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When I was a kid, there were no free-range eggs or organic meats available at all, and they're quite widely-available now. Free-range organic eggs don't even cost that much more than battery eggs either - at least, not to the degree that they used to. So some thngs have changed, presumably because of consumer wants.
Things might start to change n a big way if the Sun starts printing such articles. You never know, they might do one day - it gives plenty of opportunities for breast gags
To be fair, LC, it's a bit of a silly question. Why would chickens not feel pain? They are animals with a central nervous system.
Here's one link, though. I shouldn't think it'd be too hard to find more.
Things might start to change n a big way if the Sun starts printing such articles. You never know, they might do one day - it gives plenty of opportunities for breast gags
London_Calling said:
To be fair, LC, it's a bit of a silly question. Why would chickens not feel pain? They are animals with a central nervous system.
Here's one link, though. I shouldn't think it'd be too hard to find more.
_angel_
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scifisam said:When I was a kid, there were no free-range eggs or organic meats available at all, and they're quite widely-available now. Free-range organic eggs don't even cost that much more than battery eggs either - at least, not to the degree that they used to. So some thngs have changed, presumably because of consumer wants.
Things might start to change n a big way if the Sun starts printing such articles. You never know, they might do one day - it gives plenty of opportunities for breast gags
To be fair, LC, it's a bit of a silly question. Why would chickens not feel pain? They are animals with a central nervous system.
Here's one link, though. I shouldn't think it'd be too hard to find more.
I guess it would help if ingredients in processed food listed whether they were free range or not (be it chicken or eggs). That would be a start.
So sorry I buy pre-cooked/ packaged foods sometimes but I am human!!
cockneyrebel
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That and also the fact that capitalist production methods will always strive for the most efficient way of producing something, because of the need for profit maximisation. The only time that this changes is when the workers movement forces the capitalists to do otherwise i.e. stuff like the welfare state etc
But even then capitalists will provide stuff like education because it provides a more productive labour force.
This comes back to whether the working class shapes what capitalists do or if it's the other way round. Personally I think it's a two way relationship and when the organised working class is weak capitalists will drive forward as many attacks as possible. They also do this if they are forced to because of a downward pressure on profits. At these times, if there is a strong organised working class and a strong left force then they are forced into barbaric methods such as dictatorships and fascism.
Anyway this is going off on a massive tangent!!
But as it's hard enough to organise to protect the working classes conditions and most people live in barbarism then I don't think animals have got much of a chance under capitalism.
cockneyrebel
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Because of the defeats of the 1980s among other things?
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