The Trilogy Meter

[Shippou-Sensei]

Apparently they filmed the bit where Gandalf talks to the defeated Saruman holed up in his tower, but cut it from the film. It would have made the whole thing so much better if they'd left it in, I'm sure they could have cut out five minutes of brainless CGI nonsense to make room for it.

it's in the extended

it doesn't really help


the whole piliging of the shire was a key part of the book and leaving out was crap

 

[SpookyFrank]

the whole piliging of the shire was a key part of the book and leaving out was crap

True, I loved the fact that you think you've got to the happy ending and then you discover that evil hasn't magically vanished from the world. That bit also reinforced Tolkien's message that industry and oppression go hand in hand, not something likely to come across in films produced to such an industrial scale

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

the ending was the worst bit

totally devalued saruman

Do you mean the bit which was cut but included in the EE?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

the whole piliging of the shire was a key part of the book and leaving out was crap

I do like it, but I think it wouldn't have worked cinematically.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

*Stifled blast of expletives*

*Calms down a bit*

You must be joking surely? OK, the films were competently made and tolerably acted, but they had all the morality, all the meaning and all the subtlety systematically drained out of them. The books weren't about 'good triumphs over evil, hooray!' they were about how good can triumph over evil and why good is good and evil evil in the first place. This was lost in the films in favour of big stupid battle scenes. There was also no bitterness to the ending like there was in the books, just identikit hollywood schmaltz that served only to bludgeon what was left of the spirit of the books to death.

Bollocks.

 

[Crispy]

They're great and anyone who doesn't think so is a stuffy stuck-up ponce so ner.

 

[Santino]

I agree it's a load of bollocks. Godfather 3 was bad but it wasn't that bad. Bit of better acting and it would sit with the other two no problem.

You're quite, quite wrong.

I used to think as you do. I wanted to believe. I wanted Part III to be a fitting conclusion to the series. But I was just kidding myself. It's hopeless. There's a few good moments, but the overall story is so out of tune with the first two. It needed another 6 months on the script, but Paramount put pressure on to get it made as quickly as possible, and it shows. Dreadful.

 

[El Jefe]

They're great and anyone who doesn't think so is a stuffy stuck-up ponce so ner.

hmm.. stuffy stuck-up ponce, or mentally disturbed vermin.

It's a tough call

 

[Santino]

I love LOTR

 

[Crispy]

I love LOTR

I am with you, brother

 

[isitme]

i disagree with most of them, and some of them aren't even trilogies


btw, am i the only person in the world who likes matrix 3?

 

[Crispy]

i disagree with most of them, and some of them aren't even trilogies


btw, am i the only person in the world who likes matrix 3?

I think you might be the only one who watched it.

 

[CyberRose]

BttF #2 kicks #3's ass

i dunno, i agree more than i disagree.

personally i think alien3 was a great film though.

These people know what they're talking about (in the film forum, anyway!)

 

[isitme]

I think you might be the only one who watched it.

it has the most over the top punch up ever between neo and smith with superpowers, a dragon made out of sentinel robots and a giant robot babies head made of 1000s of tiny robots

we are so spoiled nowadays when they make films like that and everyone falls asleep

 

[Crispy]

I think I should get spannered on ketamine and watch that.

 

[kabbes]

It's so very, very wrong on the majority of the trilogies that I don't even know where to start.

 

[Santino]

It's so very, very wrong on the majority of the trilogies that I don't even know where to start.

Your mum is so very, very wrong on the majority of the trilogies that I don't even know where to start

 

[kabbes]

Your mum is so very, very wrong on the majority of the trilogies that I don't even know where to start

You momma so fat that she IS a trilogy.

 

[Santino]

shut it, four-eyes

 

[kabbes]

shut it, four-eyes

iiii hate it when you call me that.

 

[kyser_soze]

LOTR rocks.

I think the grid is pretty close to true too.

I'm not with this revisionist business re: Alien 3. It's good, but not that good; on a par with the rest of them.

T2 is a way better fillum than T1 in director's cut form.

Godfather III tho...the scenes of the helicopter assasination and the finale at the opera show how great it could have been. But it wasn't. Still worth it for 'They pull me back in' tho

 

[kyser_soze]

i disagree with most of them, and some of them aren't even trilogies


btw, am i the only person in the world who likes matrix 3?

No. It's my secret shame too. It's not good, I'm happy to admit, but there's still awesomeness buried in there.

 

[kabbes]

No. It's my secret shame too. It's not good, I'm happy to admit, but there's still awesomeness buried in there.

I feel similarly. Also, I really, really liked Matrix 2 (although it isn't nearly as good as the first one).

 

[isitme]

i fucking love matrix 2

i mean, the plot is pathetic. but that fight in the courtyard and that car chase are just fcking ridiculously good

 

[kyser_soze]

Yeah, the bit where the two trucks collide and explode is one of the best moments in cinema I reckon.

I also love the Architect's monologue at the end, mainly because I got it during the film, and most people walked out saying 'WTF?'

 

[Crispy]

Whoooo's a clever clogs?

 

[kyser_soze]

*polishes brain*

Seriously tho, my main thing about Reloaded is that it has so many good ingredients and is so rammed full of references to everything that it could have been so good. Fuck all the 'It doesn't continue directly from The Matrix' business, there's actual good stuff in there, but in their need to get everything in, the Warchozvskisksis forgot to include an actual story.

I remember one of the critics talking about the way it 'changed location from a restatuarant to a castle to a garage to mountains with no explanation given'...well, no explanatrion aside from the point that the whole Matrix was a virtual universe, subject to the whimsy of those who could control it.

 

[isitme]

Yeah, the bit where the two trucks collide and explode is one of the best moments in cinema I reckon.

I also love the Architect's monologue at the end, mainly because I got it during the film, and most people walked out saying 'WTF?'

personally I hated their attempts at dealing with big questions, it was way too long, and not that cleve, i mean, you can't knock the fact that they were pioneering new ways to film explosions and gunfight and so on

the best thing about that chase was how it just kept on giving. like it starts off as a car chase, then they steal motorbikes off the back of a truck......then they have a kung fu fight on top of a big lorry

then they blow up two massive trucks and neo flies from tbet just in time to save them. i mean, why not?

 

[isitme]

I remember one of the critics talking about the way it 'changed location from a restatuarant to a castle to a garage to mountains with no explanation given'...well, no explanatrion aside from the point that the whole Matrix was a virtual universe, subject to the whimsy of those who could control it.

that was why i loved it

they just created a universe where they could get away with anything

yeah he can fly now, and the agent can clone himself....

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the problem is any power needs limits or else it doesn't work properly... thats why in stories about magic you need the spells to be difficult and tiring or else it's like the plot equivelent of iddqd