the top parliamentarian of our time?

[HarrisonSlade]

That perhaps says more than any critc ANY ONE ON THIS BOARD COULD OFFER.................a complete and utter tool by any standards possible....

You do not have to believe in their ideals to think that they are great speakers. If Hitler had been a Parliamentarian, I would have voted for him however much I hate him he was a great speaker who put his point across eloquently and with passion.

 

[London_Calling]

People seem to have trouble distinguishing between excellent public speaking vs. achievements within the parliamantary system vs. My Favourite Pony.

It's a bit like "My fav band is bester, and your fav band is crap"

 

[nino_savatte]

The light's on but nobody's home.

 

[patjoseph]

Tony Benn without a doubt

 

[hibee]

People seem to have trouble distinguishing between excellent public speaking vs. achievements within the parliamantary system vs. My Favourite Pony.

It's a bit like "My fav band is bester, and your fav band is crap"

well yes, that's what I was trying to do in response to someone who asked if you can be a great parliamentarian and achive fuck all. to which the correct answer was "of course"

 

[patjoseph]

well yes, that's what I was trying to do in response to someone who asked if you can be a great parliamentarian and achive fuck all. to which the correct answer was "of course"

Fact is it is diffucult to be a good parliamentaian and acheive anything...because you have to have integrety to be great...And to work around our political system you have to be a corrupt git

 

[phildwyer]

Sorry to say it cos I disagreed with every word he said, but the impartial vote has got to be Enoch Powell.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Brilliant.

I know but I don't like to brag.

And people wonder why the left lost its democratic support.

Do they?

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Well my vote goes to anyone who has abstained.
Anyone who turns up will end up making a tit of both themself and those that voted for the prick/fud.



Paisley???


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[Kid_Eternity]

who'd yr top parliamentarian of our time be?

As an anarchist, why do you care?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Paisley???

Do you actually understand what the word parliamentarian means?

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Do you actually understand what the word parliamentarian means?

Yes I do.
Have I not asked what it is that is meant by "top" parliamentarian?


Is it not someone who attends erm... parliament?
Or an expert (at least someone with first hand knowledge) in erm... parliament?

Surely not a raving fuckin lunatic?

 

[HarrisonSlade]

You do not have to believe in their ideals to think that they are great speakers. If Hitler had been a Parliamentarian, I would have voted for him however much I hate him he was a great speaker who put his point across eloquently and with passion.

By the way, when I said that I would have voted for hime, I meant as a Parliamentarian, not in a a General Election

 

[Dilzybhoy]

*kicks himself for missing it*

 

[HarrisonSlade]

The word Parliamentarian has changed it's meaning so many times. The original definition was that of a man who stood up for Parliament against King Charles I. Quite a republican word originally. Now all it means is a member of Parliament. It is usually used to define an MPs Professionalism, charisma and personality ie I'm an MP keep me in here (yeah I know the jokes been done to death, but it's a nice explaination)

 

[Pickman's model]

As an anarchist, why do you care?

i don't think you've got the hang of message boards yet.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes I do.
Have I not asked what it is that is meant by "top" parliamentarian?


Is it not someone who attends erm... parliament?
Or an expert (at least someone with first hand knowledge) in erm... parliament?

Surely not a raving fuckin lunatic?

Er, you are aware that Paisley is an MP, right? And he's certainly not a "lunatic," in fact his critique of Catholicism is extremely apt.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

The word Parliamentarian has changed it's meaning so many times. The original definition was that of a man who stood up for Parliament against King Charles I. Quite a republican word originally. Now all it means is a member of Parliament. It is usually used to define an MPs Professionalism, charisma and personality ie I'm an MP keep me in here (yeah I know the jokes been done to death, but it's a nice explaination)

The OED says (my italics)
a member of a parliament, especially a person well versed in its procedure and debates

 

[In Bloom]

Er, you are aware that Paisley is an MP, right? And he's certainly not a "lunatic," in fact his critique of Catholicism is extremely apt.

Didn't he say that the pope is the anti-Christ and the church the whore of Babylon?

You don't think that's a more than a little barking?

 

[phildwyer]

Didn't he say that the pope is the anti-Christ and the church the whore of Babylon?

You don't think that's a more than a little barking?

Nope, that's the official position of most Protestant churches, including the Anglicans. Makes a lot of sense too.

 

[In Bloom]

Nope, that's the official position of most Protestant churches, including the Anglicans. Makes a lot of sense too.

Who was it who put the Bible together again?

 

[phildwyer]

Who was it who put the Bible together again?

The Catholics. What's your point?

 

[In Bloom]

The Catholics. What's your point?

So the idea of holding up a book compiled by a collaboration of the anti-Christ and the whore of Babylon as the infallible word of God doesn't strike you as being a wee bit, well, contradictory, then?

 

[phildwyer]

So the idea of holding up a book compiled by a collaboration of the anti-Christ and the whore of Babylon as the infallible word of God doesn't strike you as being a wee bit, well, contradictory, then?

I don't think the Bible is the infalliable word of God. OK, maybe you mean that Paisley does, which is true. But his position isn't inconsistent, the Protestant Bible is different from the Catholic, and what makes it infalliable (for him) is who *wrote* it, not who compiled it. Speaking of which, here is Paul describing the Antichrist in 2 Thessalonians:

'[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.'

Remind you of anyone?

 

[In Bloom]

I don't think the Bible is the infalliable word of God. OK, maybe you mean that Paisley does, which is true. But his position isn't inconsistent, the Protestant Bible is different from the Catholic, and what makes it infalliable (for him) is who *wrote* it, not who compiled it.

The "Protestant Bible" uses the same texts as the Catholic one, almost to the last detail.

Speaking of which, here is Paul describing the Antichrist in 2 Thessalonians:

'[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.'

Remind you of anyone?

Yes, about a billion billion people including Julius Ceaser*, Hitler, Stalin, that fucking nutter who rules Uzbekistan and David Koresh, yet oddly, I can't think of a single Pope who fits that description (not that I'm a big expert on the history of the Catholic church, mind).

*the most likely candidate, IMO.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

i don't think you've got the hang of message boards yet.

Nice evasion; I don't think you've got the hang of reality yet but there you go. Again, why do you care?

 

[phildwyer]

The "Protestant Bible" uses the same texts as the Catholic one, almost to the last detail.


Yes, about a billion billion people including Julius Ceaser*, Hitler, Stalin, that fucking nutter who rules Uzbekistan and David Koresh, yet oddly, I can't think of a single Pope who fits that description (not that I'm a big expert on the history of the Catholic church, mind).

*the most likely candidate, IMO.

Not one of your finest posts, Bloom. The Catholic Bible contains seven whole books that are not in the Protestant version. And Julius Caesar cannot be the Antichrist, because he lived before the prophecies of said being were written. And regarding the Popes, check out the Borgias, I think you'll find they make Hitler and Stalin look like big softies.

 

[In Bloom]

The Catholic Bible contains seven whole books that are not in the Protestant version.

So is it just those seven books that are the spawn of Satan or are there little Devillish bits hanging around in the KJV too?

And Julius Caesar cannot be the Antichrist, because he lived before the prophecies of said being were written.

I suppose it depends on your view of what Paul was actually trying to say.

And regarding the Popes, check out the Borgias, I think you'll find they make Hitler and Stalin look like big softies.

Did any of them claim to be God or directly try to replace God?

 

[phildwyer]

So is it just those seven books that are the spawn of Satan or are there little Devillish bits hanging around in the KJV too?


I suppose it depends on your view of what Paul was actually trying to say.


Did any of them claim to be God or directly try to replace God?

The Protestant position is that the apocrypha are historical documents, hardly the "spawn of Satan." The objection is not to the texts, but to the institution that seems, from the Protestant perspective, to abrogate and ignore those texts. One of the things the canonical Bible says says is that a man, the Antichrist, will fill the place of God and be worshipped as God. By positing its own, human traditions and earthly authority as a means to salvation, the Catholic church seems to Protestants to have done this. Not being a Christian, I don't have a dog in this fight, but the Protestant position seems sensible to me, as an objective observer.

 

[In Bloom]

One of the things the canonical Bible says says is that a man, the Antichrist, will fill the place of God and be worshipped as God.

Another thing it says is that the Nile turned to blood, an entire Egyptian army (inc. royals) went missing, the entire agriculture of Egypt was destroyed, the first born of every family died and yet still not one single solitary Egyptian saw fit to record these cataclismic events. Go figure.