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The thing that really fucked me off yesterday...

It's not just the photographers who are on a gore-fest, on Channel 4 news last night they had a female reporter interviewing a BTP officer, she was trying her utmost to get as much gory detail from him as possible and you could see he couldn't wait to get rid of the stupid fucking bitch.
We have people waiting for their loved ones to be identified and there's people like her wanting the ins and outs of the blood and guts. :mad:
 
editor said:
Maybe the person was happy to be filmed? Maybe they were happy to have such an important event documented? Maybe their family were happy and comforted to see the footage of their loved one?

If I was caught up it such a situation I would do my best to help people first - and take snaps when I could - because such footage may prove vital clues and help explain the story of the dreadful events.
Not just that....without photgraphic evidence of the blitz, the holocaust, Hiroshima, 9/11 etc etc etc future generations cannot begin to understand what it was like and the enormity of things. The same stands for the London bombings IMO.
 
as for Kevin Carter
he was a great man IMO
he travelled to terrible, brutal places to take photographs so that the rest of the world couldn't not know what was going on, his photographs contributed towards the end of aparthied as well as an awareness of the horrors of famine in Africa
when he killed himself he was suffering from severe depression and PTSD as a result of the terrible things he had witnessed
did anyone else see the film about his life?
http://www.kevincarterfilm.com/
 
Louloubelle said:
as for Kevin Carter
he was a great man IMO
he travelled to terrible, brutal places to take photographs so that the rest of the world couldn't not know what was going on, his photographs contributed towards the end of aparthied as well as an awareness of the horrors of famine in Africa
when he killed himself he was suffering from severe depression and PTSD as a result of the terrible things he had witnessed
did anyone else see the film about his life?
http://www.kevincarterfilm.com/


The manics did a song about him.
 
"Bang". "Oh my God, what's happening? What's going on? I hear screaming. What's going on?"
It's so dark. What's happening?
I'll be late for work. I hate the tube. I wish they'd focus on levels of service. I have to file that report by 10, and I have not started it yet. Oh that screaming. What's going on?
They are evacuating us. This is interesting, I've never walked up a tube tunnel. What's happening? Hey my phone has night video mode, it may be easier to walk up this dark tunnel if I use the phone to help.
Oh my god. That's awful. I can't look at that.
This may have been a bomb. What's happening. So many screams.
I wish I knew first aid, but I just want to get out...
I hope Anthea at work's OK. She uses this train.
At last we are at the platform. There's some terribly injured people here.
I must call my mum.
Excuse me mr fireman, what's going on?
Somebody, please tell me, what's going on?

I wasn't part of this. But I imagine there's all sorts of reasons someone may choose to film events, not least just in order to try to help make sense of what is happening by taking some action, any action. The alternative would be collapse.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the Kings X, Aldwych and Russell Square stations are regular commuter routes for a lot of journalists and media types, and the footage may well have been captured by someone from the media in some way on their way to work. The sort of people whose first impulse would be to capture the story.

I don't think we should castigate whoever took the movie, as we are not in possession of the facts, and at the time the movie was made, neither was the filmmaker. No one then knew what was really taking place. No one really knew what to do.

I do think the discussion in this thread highlights some action we should take, and that I now intend to. We are all motivated to help people in crisis, at least everyone in here seems to be. How many of us have first aid training?

If anyone on here works for the emergency services, please could they let us know a good, reputable first aid course we could all go on, so that we can actually help people if we ever encounter a crisis?

I want to be able to help people, rather than panic. And I know right now that my first instinct in such a situation would be fear. I don't believe it would be to grab movie footage, but can understand that for some folk that would be a reaction.

First Aid training advice please.
 
rocketman. said:
First Aid training advice please.

Your local library should have a comprehensive list of first aid training courses in your area. I was lucky in that when I was a lifeboat helper about 40 of us in the village did a very comprehensive disaster training course including resuscitation and administering entenox.
 
tobyjug said:
Your local library should have a comprehensive list of first aid training courses in your area. I was lucky in that when I was a lifeboat helper about 40 of us in the village did a very comprehensive disaster training course including resuscitation and administering entenox.

Thank you.
Since writing that I have found this

Saint John's Ambulance Training

Any other ideas?
 
rocketman said:
In the end it was - it will have helped police figure out when it all happened.

On one of the news programmes it said that this was a key peice of evidence in establishing that the bombs were almost simultaneous.
 
BBC News website running a 'more soon' ticker that the Police are appealing to the public for any mobile phone footage.
 
Recording is a hard thing to do - it takes a special presence of mind to think "everyone's getting seen to, there's nothing I can do, I could run away in panic or I could record what's going on here for the world to see". Think of all the iconic pictures of horrific things - the work of Nick Ut or Kevin Carter was every bit as important as that of the people working around them. An image can change history and to dismiss those taking photographs in a crisis as heartless is short-sighted.
 
remember in israel for the last few years every other day 20 people got killed on a bus

in brazil loads more people get shot everyday

etc etc

as someone who didnt live in london it was just another new story

it is fucked that innocent people got killed

it is fucked that the terror laws are gonna get rushed through now

but the world is at war right now, more and more and more people get murdered every day for nowt
 
I find photos video of horrible things harder than reality .As a nurse have had to dress some horrible wounds .Just got on with it .Show me a photo in a text book and it will make me queasy . Once had a bloke turn up on my door step having been beaten up delt with him . The film of casualties stumbling out of tunnels makes me feel upset .Probably as there is nothing i can do .
Stuff like this needs recording doesnt mean i have to like the people who do it
 
dylanredefined said:
I find photos video of horrible things harder than reality .As a nurse have had to dress some horrible wounds .Just got on with it .Show me a photo in a text book and it will make me queasy .

When I did a disaster training course we were shown actual photos of casualties and wounds. When asked how I would deal with one particulary nasty neck wound I answered :- before or after I was sick.
One of the GPs from my local practice was of the opinion the patient would die because the wound was not treatable on the disaster site. A female doctor from the army on the same course who had had to deal with such wounds for real came up with a special way of bandaging the wound without strangling the patient.
 
What does it matter about the things that fucked you off, centre on the positive, and what is good in your life, never centre on the bad :)
 
The police have now issued a statement asking for all images to be sent into them from cameras and mobile phones.

So as i stated before this stuff could come in handy for evidence that kind of validates the situation. As an example the picture taken of the bus at fdifferent times might include someone in the background connected/not connected to the bomb. Imkages caught can provide clues /information.
 
Yetman said:
Yep. one and the same. Kevin won some highly acclaimed prize, (Nobel?) I think he didnt do anything after taking the shot (agree with you BrainAddict) but I suppose the story is out there if anyones that interested.

Carter won the Pulitzer Prize. There's a very worthwhile book called "The Bang Bang Club" by Greg Martinovich and Joao Silva, two of his friends and colleagues, about their experiences (along with Ken Ooesterbroek and Gary Bernard) as photojournalists in Southern Africa in the 80s and 90s.

The shot that won Carter the Pulitzer was of a starving child in Sudan. It's an image of a little girl with a vulture waiting behind her.

http://pdngallery.com/20years/photojournalism/03_kevin_carter.html
 
Batboy said:
The police have now issued a statement asking for all images to be sent into them from cameras and mobile phones.

So as i stated before this stuff could come in handy for evidence that kind of validates the situation. As an example the picture taken of the bus at fdifferent times might include someone in the background connected/not connected to the bomb. Imkages caught can provide clues /information.

That may be so - it's still a bit of a stretch to impute that as a motive to those (well, one in particular in this instance) at the time....
 
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