The Thatcher List of Shame

[trevhagl]

1. Mining was (and is) subject to the health and safety law same as any other industry.

2. There's no more vital work in a high tech society, which you, mate, take full advantage of, than digging up coal, sucking up oil or burrowing out uranium. Don't like it? Wind your computer up by hand before posting. Lots of the workers in the mining industry were pretty well educated, mate, as is fitting in a technical set up.


Oh and to add to the List of Shame - select committees.

Saved, apparantly, as Ed Sec, the OU. Was instrumental in the MSC grants that gave us the Macc Lads.

so not all bad then.

Ah but they took the grant back off them when they found out what the LP was like!

 

[trevhagl]

If it wasn't for Thatcher, your country would have really gone down the tubes.

Are you on drugs?

 

[DownwardDog]

WTF do you think they were doing before?

It's the kids of the miners I feel sorry for; having to find other jobs, perhaps staying at school longer than the minimum, maybe even facing the horrors of university, little or no chance of emphysema and chronic bronchitis, having to consider there is a world outside the pit village . . . nightmares like opportunity, aspiration . . .

It doesn't seem like a such a fucking great job that you'd want your kids to do it. I know two ex-striking miners (one is a pilot, one runs a pub) and, whatever they thought at the time, they've both expressed the sentiment to me that they're glad their sons will be doing something else.

 

[Andy the Don]

The 2% contraction in GDP during the second quarter in 1980. The highest fall in GDP ever recorded. All in the name of monetarist economic policy.

 

[_angel_]

According to this, free or subsidised milk is available at school:





I can't think too many would actually drink it though.

Yes they can get it in reception and nursery classes, and yes they do drink it. I think labour brought it back. They also all get fruit/ veg.

 

[_angel_]

Hmm, I can't somehow imagine the people enthusaistically defending Thatcher would be so keen if they'd lost their jobs, livelihood and prospect of working again.

It's okay to say "tough decisions were needed" when it doesn't actually adversly affect you, I guess.

No good leader seeks to divide the country in the way she did.

 

[nino_savatte]

Bus services in Leeds did improve from "abyssmal" to just "really bad" to be fair though.

Really? They're shite in Manchester.

 

[nino_savatte]

If it wasn't for Thatcher, your country would have really gone down the tubes.

LOL!!!! This is what happens when folk take image over substance.

 

[Idris2002]

In most cases it's merely the retelling of an incident/conversation. In this case I think it's the complete fabrication of an incident and the re-writing of history after the event to make someon look good.

BY '86 Geoffrey Howe was hitting the apartheid regime pretty hard:

 

[London_Calling]

It doesn't seem like a such a fucking great job that you'd want your kids to do it. I know two ex-striking miners (one is a pilot, one runs a pub) and, whatever they thought at the time, they've both expressed the sentiment to me that they're glad their sons will be doing something else.

This is the wrong answer; you're supposed to get misty-eyed about 1970s working class solidarity, about third world conditions and diseases, about entire villages created to serve a pit and the people disenfranchised so they don't dare leave, and excited that the next generation - and the one after that - can share your life experience.

If people are still living there almost 30 years later, it's really their perogative . . . .

 

[dylanredefined]

You could have opted out.

It was drink it and be grateful or else .She wasen't utterly evil and considering only leaders this country has had her level of evil is pretty low .Think blair either level or slightly more .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is the wrong answer; you're supposed to get misty-eyed about 1970s working class solidarity, about third world conditions and diseases, about entire villages created to serve a pit and the people disenfranchised so they don't dare leave, and excited that the next generation - and the one after that - can share your life experience.

If people are still living there almost 30 years later, it's really their perogative . . . .

 

[London_Calling]

Another convincing argument!

 

[Belushi]

This is the wrong answer; you're supposed to get misty-eyed about 1970s working class solidarity, about third world conditions and diseases, about entire villages created to serve a pit and the people disenfranchised so they don't dare leave, and excited that the next generation - and the one after that - can share your life experience.

Eh? where did you learn about mining communities? 'How Green Was My Valley?'

 

[Belushi]

WTF do you think they were doing before?

It's the kids of the miners I feel sorry for; having to find other jobs, perhaps staying at school longer than the minimum, maybe even facing the horrors of university, little or no chance of emphysema and chronic bronchitis, having to consider there is a world outside the pit village . . . nightmares like opportunity, aspiration . . .

This is so wide of the mark I dont know where to start.

 

[London_Calling]

Go on, have a go.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I hope, Mr London Calling, that nothing bad ever happens in your life. One only has the right to expect from others what one oneself would give. If other people are anything like you, you'll be left to rot.

 

[Belushi]

Go on, have a go.

Why? its a laughable description that appears to be based on nothing more than a 1930's stereotype. I dont regcognise it as an accurate description of life in a mining village at all - its completely wrong on even the most fundamental points.

 

[nino_savatte]

Paving the way for the privatisation of the railways.

 

[Karamazov#1]

Really? They're shite in Manchester.

Got to love those "magic" busses Nothing like having your bones turned to dust whilst going to work.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I've just copied this from a Brit ex-pats forum. Seems you mention the Thatcher name anywhere on the web it's like lighting the blue touch paper. Someone claiming that the current UK government has reached new levels of corruption. Wonder how Blair will be remembered 10 years from now?

April 2006 Cameron MacIntosh says he was offered Peerage for loan
April 2006 Peter Law’s 'peerage'
April 2006 Charles Clarke & the failed deportations
April 2006 John Prescott's Affair(s)
April 2006 Cherie Blair’s hairdressing bill
April 2006 - Jack McConnell under pressure over breaking the ministerial code of conduct by giving public backing to a luxury golf resort planned by Donald Trump which could prejudice the planning process for the development
April 2006 - Revealed that Jack McConnell met with furniture tycoon Robert Morris over compensation to relocate his factory on the route of the M74 extension. The £35million was more than double the original compensation offer
March 2006 - Defeated Labour MP Calum MacDonald gets publicly paid job as Forestry Commissioner
March 2006 Tessa Jowell & husband
March 2006 Peerages for Cash
March 2006 Prescott pays no Council tax
March 2006 Margaret Beckett’s Royal Flights
February 2006 Ken Livingstone loses Standards Board appeal over anti-Jewish remarks
October 2005 Blunkett resigns over links to DNA firm
October 2005 Cherie Gets £100,000 for “charity” speaking tour
October 2005 Stephen Byers apologies for lieing over Railtrack
September 2005 Michael Watson MSP jaimed for arson
August 2005 - Revealed that disgraced former Scottish Executive special adviser, Phil Chalmers, is heading up a bid by French IT firm Atos Origin to secure some of the ID card contracts
July 2005 - Defeated Labour MP David Stewart gets job with the publicly funded SCVO only two months after losing his seat
June 2005 Cherie Opens Shopping centre for Malaysian millionaire
June 2005 Labour MSP Ken MacIntosh resigns over non declaration of financial interests
June 2005 Cherie Blair cashes in on Tony’s Washington trip
May 2005 Birmingham Labour Party accused over post voting irregularities
April 2005 - Brian Wilson MP's final section on Register of Members' Interests shows directorships and advisory roles to renewable energy firms. As Energy Minister he promoted renewable energy
April 2005 - Revealed that Jack McConnell met with Labour donor Willie Haughey to discuss compensation on a land deal where the M74 would pass through Haughey's property. Initial compensation of £7.4 million rose to £16.5 million
March 2005 Labour charges £200 for candidate contact details
February 2005 Cherie Blair embarks on lucrative Australian speaking tour
January 2005 Candy Atherton’s researcher digs for gay Tory dirt
January 2005 - Jack McConnell fails to register a holiday at the Spanish villa of BBC broadcaster Kirsty Wark
January 2005 - Sarah Davidson, once an adviser to former Scottish secretary Helen Liddell, lands a £75,000-a-year job enforcing McConnell’s smoking ban. The new job was never advertised. She was the civil servant who presided over a £200m rise in the cost of Holyrood before taking a six-month sabbatical to travel round the world
December 2004 Oona King offered £10000 to bed Labour Euro MP
October 2004 - Revealed that 70% of Scottish quango appointees have links to the Labour party
August 2004 August 2004 - Former Edinburgh Labour Provost Eric Milligan appointed Scotland’s “welcome czar” to the tourism industry. Although not paid a salary he receives expenses to travel the world
June 2004 - Willie Haughey, who has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Labour party, appointed to the post of chairman of Scottish Enterprise Glasgow.
May 2004 Lord Drayson’s company wins non competitive tender contract after £50,000 donation to Labour
May 2004 - Failed Labour candidate Hugh Raven, a former parliamentary assistant to Peter Peacock, the education minister, awarded a £23,415 contract as a board member of Scottish Natural Heritage
April 2004 Beverley Hughes resigns over Immigration scandal
February 2004 Labour criticised by Electoral Commission for late tendering of accounts
January 2004 - Revealed that Schlumberger hired disgraced special adviser Philip Chalmers to run the Scottish Tourist Board’s Visit Scotland website. The website is part of a Scottish Executive PFI contract
November 2003 Margaret Hodge forced to resign over libelling Demetrious Panton
September 2003 - Harry McGuigan, a leading Lanarkshire Labour councillor appointed as a member of the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration board
August 2003 David Kelly commits suicide
August 2003 Chris Bryant pictured in briefs on Gaydar website
August 2003 - Defeated Labour MSP Iain Gray appointed as Alistair Darling's special adviser at a salary of £60,000
August 2003 - Failed Labour candidate Pat Kelly appointed to board of Scottish Water.
March 2003 Clive Betts MP employed rent boy in House of Commons office
December 2002 Cherie Blair apologises over links to conman Peter Foster
October 2002 - Lanarkshire Labour party hold a Red Rose Dinner attended by a notorious drug baron called Justin McAlroy
October 2002 - Forty-four constituency Labour parties in Scotland revealed to have failed to register agreements to accept regular donations from trades unions. Failure to do so is a criminal offence
September 2002 Labour MP Alan Meale in trouble over deportation case linked to donation
July 2002 Carphone Warehouse chairman claims Lord Levy tried to nobble a £1 million donation
June 2002 Ken Livingstone accused of manhandling his partner while drunk at a party
June 2002 Black Rod accuses Downing Street of trying to muscle in on Queen Mother's funeral
June 2002 Labour spin doctors accuse Paddington crash victim Pam Warren of being a Tory stooge
May 2002 Stephen Byers resigns from government after various scandals
May 2002 Tessa Jowell criticises Labour for accepting donation from Richard Desmond
March 2002 Lakshmi Mittal
March 2002 Donnygate Doncaster Labour scandal ends in prison for Labour councillors
February 2002 Arthur Andersen & donations to Labour
February 2002 Martin Sixsmith forced to resign by Stephen Byers
February 2002 Jo Moore resigns over ‘burying bad news’ email
January 2002 - Norman Murray, Labour councillor and former convenor of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, appointed board member of the Scottish Ambulance Service at £7,305 a year
January 2002 Labour spin doctors trash reputation of Rose Addis
January 2002 Enron accused of buying access to Labour after donation
December 2001 Keith Vaz criticised by Standards Commissioner over business links
December 2001 Nigel Griffiths and £40,000 office expenses
November 2001 Henry McLeish resigns as Scottish First Minister after office expense scandal
November 2001 November 2001 - Jack McConnell admits to affair with Labour party secretary who he tried to keep in situ by appealing to Labour MPs for funds. He says he has had no other affairs
July 2001 Hindujahs receive passports after Labour donation
May 2001 May 2001 - Robin Young, a former non-executive director of Bovis (construction managers of the Scottish Parliament) appointed as permanent secretary at the Department of Trade and Industry
April 2001 - Failed Labour candidate Keith Geddes appointed to board of Scottish Natural Heritage
January 2001 Buyer of Millennium Dome Robert Bourne accused over donation to Labour
January 2001 Peter Mandelson resigns for the second time
November 2000 Cherie Blair & Nannygate
July 2000 David Blunkett fails to declare income from rent on his Wimbledon home
June 2000 Geoffrey Robinson in trouble with Belgian tax authorities
June 2000 Lord Ali in trouble for using House of Lords as business address
April 2000 John Prescott fails to disclose benefit of Union owned flat
January 2000 Geoffrey Robinson faces fraud inquiry over Transtec
January 2000 Gordon Brown faces Inquiry over flat purchased from Maxwell ruins
January 2000 January 2000 - Police arrest Philip Chalmers, who earned £50,000-a-year as head of the Scottish Executive’s strategic communications unit, for being drunk at the wheel of his car in a red light district with a prostitute
October 1999 Ron Davies goes badger watching
October 1999 October 1999 - Failed Labour candidate Joan Aitken appointed as the Prisons Complaints Commissioner
September 1999 Scottish Labour Party lobbying scandal
July 1999 Ken Collins, former Labour MEP, appointed chairman of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency with a salary of £45,000
December 1998 Geoffrey Robinson resigns over loaning money to Mandelson
December 1998 Peter Mandelson resigns over Geoffrey Robinson loan
November 1998 Nick Brown admits paying for gay sex
October 1998 Ron Davies’s Moment of Madness on Clapham Common
July 1998 Downing Street adviser Roger Liddle investigatedover lobbying links
March 1998 Lord Irvine’s £650,000 of wallpaper
March 1998 Scottish Parliament building tendering process & construction
July 1999 Derek Draper & Lobbygate
August 1998 Robin Cook’s affair with Gaynor Regan exposed
November 1997 Bernie Eccleston’s £1 million donation investigated
May 1997 Mohammed Sarwar accused of bribery
Each year Blair's freebie holidays

 

[London_Calling]

Why? its a laughable description that appears to be based on nothing more than a 1930's stereotype. I dont regcognise it as an accurate description of life in a mining village at all - its completely wrong on even the most fundamental points.

Sorry, you were quite right, you don't know where to start.

 

[Karamazov#1]

The point being that Blair will be remembered mainly for throwing away a great chance to roll back some of the worst things that the conservatives did. To take the trains for one. A year before the 1997 election Blair was promising renationalisation then when they get the clown prince Prescott stands up and says it'd be too expensive then promptly sinks in much much more to keep the privatised train companies intact and operating. Every bad thing the tories did new labour have embraced and that's why they deserve to be damned.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sorry, you were quite right, you don't know where to start.

You are very obviously mouthing off about something you have little experience of. I'd shut up if I were you.

 

[Belushi]

Sorry, you were quite right, you don't know where to start.

Well your post was so uninformed it really is difficult. Tell me, what is your experience of mining communities because it looks very much to me like you've garnered all your preconceptions from an account of the 1930's.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

Labour's list can be summed up with one entry....

The abolition of Clause 4. From then on, the Labour Party became the Conservative Party, and from then the list continues alongside the other Tory disgraces.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

I heard she has been diagnosed with dementure, and she keeps forgetting her husband isn't alive anymore.

Let's imagine she forgets all the things she did when she was in office. I'll start the list off:

*Poll Tax
*Doubling of unemployment
*Banning of sympathy strikes
*Cuts in funding to higher education
*Abolished the GLC
*Section 28
*Ending of universal free school milk
*Increased charges for school meals

What were her other..."achievements"?

Murder of Airey Neave / Ian Gow.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He doesn't fucking walk on water though!!!!

Yes he does!!!


If you freeze it!!!

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Which cunt was it that privatised BR and thus provided a perpetual inflated income stream for incompetent franchise directors?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/22/hatfield.transport

Listeners could have been mistaken for thinking that Portillo had nothing to do with privatisation. A check in Hansard, the record of Parliamentary debates, reveals that Portillo, when a Minister of State at the Department of Transport, announced in 1989 that he was 'considering the long-term options for British Rail, including privatisation'.

He was also credited with sending the No 10 Policy Unit an outline of privatisation options for British Rail and London Underground before the 1992 election. When, later, he was at the Treasury he was responsible for attempting to reduce Government spending which became the driving factor behind the confusion of contracts and fines that Britain's railway was left with.

McGregor, the Conservative MP for Norfolk South, was the Transport Secretary after the 1992 election who was responsible for pushing the legislation through Parliament. He was advised by Sir Christopher Foster, then a partner in Coopers & Lybrand, who was convinced that vertical separation - different owners for the trains and the track - was the way forward. The Tories wanted a number of rail companies to encourage competition, efficiency and 'local responsiveness'. Most importantly, having a lot of train-operating franchises would increase Treasury revenue by enabling a series of lucrative sell-offs rather than a single large one. The fines system would ensure, MacGregor hoped, that passengers got a good deal because trains would run on time. Safety was not the priority. ​

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_MacGregor

 

[trevhagl]

Labour's list can be summed up with one entry....

The abolition of Clause 4. From then on, the Labour Party became the Conservative Party, and from then the list continues alongside the other Tory disgraces.

can't argue with that...