The Surrey Thread

[zenie]

I asked where were you from?

First of all can I say @ this thread! I never thought I'd se a Surrey thread on Urban - has made my night!

Number 1: The county council headquarters isn't actually inside Surrey itself - it is currently located in Kingston (London Borough of).


Number 4: Brixton is inside historical Surrey (ie the original area of Surrey before London expanded and took a great chunk out of it).

1. Are you sure about that? Kingston is a 'Royal Borough' is it not?

4. Pretty much anything south of the river was Surrey in the olden days!

Now onto the nitty gritty

Facts about Surrey!!

• In 1215 The Magna Carta was first issued in Runnymede by King John
  
• The video to 'karma Chameleon' by Culture Club was recorded on The River Thames at Walton in 1983.
  
• Much of Surrey is green belt land and has in fact nearly double the national average of wooded areas.
  
• In 1907 Brooklands Racetrack the first evr oval shaped and banked racetrack in the world opened. Maclaren Mercedes now own much of the land and along with the building of a huge retail park much of the original 'Brooklands' has been lost. What is there now is under a preservatin order thank fuck!
  
• Guildford is thought to be home to one of Europes oldest synagogues dating back to the 1100's.
  
• There are many private Estates in Surrey of which one of the biggest and most exclusive is St Georges Hill. (Do I need to name names?)
  
• Paul Weller was born, grew up and lives not far from his hit CD Stanley Road in Woking. Sadly all the houses on Stanley Road were developed in the late 90's.
  
• In 1974 Guildford was the target of four IRA bombers, two bombs were planted and five people were killed. there have been numerous films and books about the bombings, and speculation as to the guilt of the convicted.
  
• In 2002 Walton on Thames hit the headlines due to the dissapearance of Mily Dowler.
  
• In 2001 the film Ali G Indahouse was recorded and set in Staines by local comedian Sacha Baron Cohen.
  
• Many parts of Surrey were developed in the 40's and 50's to house families from London whose homes had bene destroyed by The Blitz.
  
• Surrey has also been made famous by celebrities using The Priory Clinics.
  
• Surbiton was famous for the popular sitcom 'The good life'

Croydon and Kingston are in Surrey. Ashford and Sunbury are however not, they are part of Middlesex occupied bythe forces of Surreyist imperialism.

Lies!!

North West Surrey Social Service HQ is in Ashford and Sunbury and Shepperton are both in Surrey too! Although they have Twickenham postcodes!

There's a not very quility pub by Byfleet & newhaw station famous for it's L shaped pool table and err.. muchos fights.

The L Shaped pool table went a long time ago

The place is still full of cunts I went to school with but it's very easy to score!

I think I'll shut up now!!

 

[netbob]

[*]Paul Weller was born, grew up and lives not far from his hit CD Stanley Road in Woking. Sadly all the houses on Stanley Road were developed in the late 90's.

I'm p[retty sure he went to my School. he also wrote some of the lirics frm the Stanly Road album on the walls on the fragrent smelling tunnel under the station (which the council then promptly painted over)

The place is still full of cunts I went to school with but it's very easy to score!

Doesnt sound like its changed to much

 

[colacubes]

Repeat after me:
"Mirrored walls does not a night club make"

Carpet on the walls does though. Certainly does in Camberley

 

[Biddlybee]

[*]In 2001 the film Ali G Indahouse was recorded and set in Staines by local comedian Sacha Baron Cohen.

I always thought Satines wasn't in Surrey

 

[colacubes]

I always thought Satines wasn't in Surrey

It was in Middlesex when I used to live round that way

 

[Biddlybee]

That's what I remember, but looked it up and it's in the Spelthorne borough of Surrey

 

[Groucho]

St George's Hill estate sits on one of the last stands of the Diggers - the radical land grabbing bunch during the era of Civil War and revolution.

I was driven around the estate in a clapped out mini covered in Coal not Dole stickers chased by Security once back in the 80s.

St George's Hill has recently been home to a scumboid of the highest order.

 

[colacubes]

I can't believe I was lied to for all those years

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

You wait - you'll upset acid priest and he'll come after you all screaming
CROYDON AINT IN SURREY

Oh no not this again.

I'm moving.

 

[Monkeynuts]

4. Pretty much anything south of the river was Surrey in the olden days!

Well, yeah...apart from the Kent bit

North West Surrey Social Service HQ is in Ashford and Sunbury and Shepperton are both in Surrey too! Although they have Twickenham postcodes!

Well, you can't really take that as any sort of guide. Ashford definitely used to be in Middlesex. This is commonly known fact because people occasionally tag that on the end if they are distinguishing it from Ashford, Kent.

 

[butterfly child]

North West Surrey Social Service HQ is in Ashford

Not strictly true, it's a Family Centre.

I can't understand why people are so hung up on this Middlesex thing. Middlesex doesn't exist apart from in name only!

 

[Monkeynuts]

Think I might bring up the Croydon, Surrey thing again.

If one accepts that Croydon is a distinct and independent town and is not comparable to somewhere like Streatham (i.e. it takes more than a high street) then it makes little sense to talk of Croydon being "in London". In Greater London, yes, because London has subsumed it and there's no gap between the two - but not in London. Didn't Croydon make a bid for city status last time round? Before anyone brings up the London/Westminster thing this is not a valid analogy but you can't really have one city within another city. Therefore Croydon is not in London.

Equally:

Ilford is not in London
Bromley is not in London and Orpington is even less in London
Kingston is not in London.

London is only W,WC, E, EC, N, NW, SE and SW postcodes. Because I say so and it's final.

 

[spanglechick]

Think I might bring up the Croydon, Surrey thing again.

If one accepts that Croydon is a distinct and independent town and is not comparable to somewhere like Streatham (i.e. it takes more than a high street) then it makes little sense to talk of Croydon being "in London". In Greater London, yes, because London has subsumed it and there's no gap between the two - but not in London. Didn't Croydon make a bid for city status last time round? Before anyone brings up the London/Westminster thing this is not a valid analogy but you can't really have one city within another city. Therefore Croydon is not in London.

Equally:

Ilford is not in London
Bromley is not in London and Orpington is even less in London
Kingston is not in London.

London is only W,WC, E, EC, N, NW, SE and SW postcodes. Because I say so and it's final.

so what about the bits of london borough of croydon that have SE postcodes?

 

[zenie]

St George's Hill estate sits on one of the last stands of the Diggers - the radical land grabbing bunch during the era of Civil War and revolution.

I was driven around the estate in a clapped out mini covered in Coal not Dole stickers chased by Security once back in the 80s.

St George's Hill has recently been home to a scumboid of the highest order.

I used to go up there for picnics as a kid

Which scumboid?

 

[citydreams]

so what about the bits of london borough of croydon that have SE postcodes?

You're still Croydon.

 

[Monkeynuts]

SE19, SE25 etc? I think I'd make them London. They were probably under a London borough before the 1960s re-org(?).

Croydon is just where the council tax bill comes from. Upper Norwood / Crystal Palais is no more "in Croydon" than Dulwich is "in Southwark", Brixton "in Lambeth" or Streatham "in Wandsworth". The middle two terms in particular have acquired wider use to some extent as names of areas (unlike perhaps Forest Hill / borough of Lewisham) but really they are quite distinct, relatively small areas in their own right near the river.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

SE19, SE25 etc? I think I'd make them London. They were probably under a London borough before the 1960s re-org(?).

Croydon is just where the council tax bill comes from. Upper Norwood / Crystal Palais is no more "in Croydon" than Dulwich is "in Southwark", Brixton "in Lambeth" or Streatham "in Wandsworth". The middle two terms in particular have acquired wider use to some extent as names of areas (unlike perhaps Forest Hill / borough of Lewisham) but really they are quite distinct, relatively small areas in their own right near the river.

I've always seen Dulwich as "in Southwark", Brixton as "in Lambeth" and Streatham "in Wandsworth". And you know what?


They are.

 

[spanglechick]

SE19, SE25 etc? I think I'd make them London. They were probably under a London borough before the 1960s re-org(?).

Croydon is just where the council tax bill comes from. Upper Norwood / Crystal Palais is no more "in Croydon" than Dulwich is "in Southwark", Brixton "in Lambeth" or Streatham "in Wandsworth". The middle two terms in particular have acquired wider use to some extent as names of areas (unlike perhaps Forest Hill / borough of Lewisham) but really they are quite distinct, relatively small areas in their own right near the river.

aha - so Se25 = South Norwood (and bits of Selhurst) = London.

Cool. I like you. You talk sense.

 

[cesare]

Croydon will always be

OOops, I meant it to read: I lived there when it was <Surrey, which was>

 

[Biddlybee]

I've always seen Dulwich as "in Southwark", Brixton as "in Lambeth" and Streatham "in Wandsworth". And you know what?


They are.

Agreed. Monkeynuts your post (#46) doesn't make sense.

 

[Monkeynuts]

Agreed. Monkeynuts your post (#46) doesn't make sense.

What I mean is that they are just the names of the boroughs. Strictly speaking, Lambeth (for example) is a smallish area on the south bank of the Thames. However, the name has been applied to a wider area that it administrates (I suppose traditionally the borough takes the name of the area where the town hall is).

But you have to draw a distinction between the actual area and the borough.

Lambeth and Southwark are more widely applied as names than some. However - as a better example, you wouldn't say Eltham or Woolwich were "in Greenwich". Greenwich is down the road. Woolwich is Woolwich, a place in its own right. It just happens that the local town hall is in Greenwich and administers the areas round about - hence the London Borough of Greenwich.

The point is further illustrated by changes in the names and boundaries of boroughs. Camberwell isn't in Southwark as not so long ago there was a borough of Camberwell. East Dulwich has not physically moved but was in the borough of Camberwell and is now in the borough of Southwark. But it's not in either area. They are all distinct places in their own right.

See also Deptford. Not in Lewisham. Lewisham is up the road. Was borough of Deptford.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

aha - so Se25 = South Norwood (and bits of Selhurst) = London.

Cool. I like you. You talk sense.

Fuck london i'm staying in Surrey.

 

[Groucho]

I used to go up there for picnics as a kid

Which scumboid?

Oh you know, that woman hating psycho who sings about locking women up in trunks.

 

[Callie]

Oh no not this again.

I'm moving.

you should move to middlesex

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

you should move to middlesex

Is that in London too?

And where is my 100 page Croydon report missy?

 

[Callie]

Im busy

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Im busy

Too busy to help me? Outrageous.
No more toffees for you.

 

[Streathamite]

You wait - you'll upset acid priest and he'll come after you all screaming
CROYDON AINT IN SURREY QUOTE]

Croydon and Kingston are in Surrey. Ashford and Sunbury are however not, they are part of Middlesex occupied bythe forces of Surreyist imperialism.

Still we live in hope, Middlesex has a man who is prepared to restore our glorious county to greatness!

none of this is true, of course. all those places are in gtr London, and middlesex does not exist, and nor should it.

 

[zenie]

Oh you know, that woman hating psycho who sings about locking women up in trunks.

Who??

Cliff's just moved out?

 

[TeeJay]

First of all can I say @ this thread! I never thought I'd se a Surrey thread on Urban - has made my night!

Why so surprised?

If you want to find out anything about historical Brixton and over half of historical south London you need to look at the records and maps for Surrey.

Surrey originally simply meant "south of the river".

When the Saxons arrived there were various kingdoms: Wessex (west saxons), Essex (east saxons) and Sussex (south saxons). Middlesex was the 'middle saxon' kingdom and its bottom half was the sub-kingdom of Surrey - literally 'south of the river'.

More interesting facts (from the wikipedia entry)

* The traditional nickname for people from Surrey is 'Surrey Capon', as it was well known in the later Middle Ages as the county where chickens were fattened up for the London meat markets. In modern times this role has now fallen to Essex.

* Surrey is the most wooded county in Great Britain, with 22.4% coverage compared to a national average of 11.8% ... Box Hill has the oldest untouched area of natural woodland in the UK, one of the oldest in Europe. It is also a popular dogging hot-spot.

* From 568 AD the eastern border of Surrey and Kent is agreed and marked by a ditch. It hasn't got much better since (see Lewisham).

* In June 1497 the county was overrun by as many as 15,000 Cornish rebels heading for London who managed to march through Wallington and Brixton Hundreds and as far as Blackheath in Kent where they eventually ran out of scrumpy and returned home.

* Surrey lost the boroughs of Lambeth, Southwark and Wandsworth in 1889 when these areas joined the newly formed "County of London". This news was greated by some people with great rejoicing as they argued their property prices would now go up. Others mused about the loss of part of Greater Surrey and made secret plans to reconquer the lost provinces forming underground 'Surrey Liberation Militias'. Victories have included the seizure of from the forces of Middlesex and regaining Horley and Charlwood after a brief loss, but these victiries have been tempered by the loss of Gatwick Airport and surrounding lands, brutally annexed by the vicious West Sussex agressors

* Watch out for the So Surrey Crew mofos!