The 'soap opera' effect in movies on big screen TVs. Tom Cruise warns against motion smoothing.

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  1. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Tom Cruise says the tech on your expensive TV is ruining his films | Metro News

    It would appear Tom Cruise and I have a bugbear in common. The default video setting built into large screen TVs which gives movies that 'soap opera' effect of looking like they were shot on high speed video rather than film. The intention being to add in an extra artificial frame, and 'smooth out blurring' mainly to the benefit of sport, but also to the detriment of films.

    Weirdly though, I've pointed this out to quite a few people in the past, and helped them adjust their TVs accordingly, but they claim they don't notice the difference, but its clear as day to me.

    Have you ever noticed it? Have you changed the settings on your TV?
     
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  2. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

    oh! I'll have a look at this tonight.
     
  3. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    I've noticed it on friend's TV sets and it looks fucking awful but they don't notice. It makes everything look like a 70s sitcom.

    With many TVs it comes as the default setting and most people never adjust their TV beyond brightness, contrast and colour (if that!) once they set it up.
     
  4. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Yes, it's annoying, and also noticeable on video games. The default should be changed and instead it should only apply for when using a 'sports' preset instead, it's not difficult to have various presets for whatever it is your viewing, with most smart tv's being online these days, it's not difficult to change this with updates, but then, how many people do firmware updates on their tv's?
     
  5. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    Yep, it’s awful.
     
  6. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    First time I noticed it, I didn't realise it was even a TV setting, and thought it was an intentional 'look' like what Peter Jackson did in the Hobbit. I was watching 'Let The Right One In' and it looked like it was shot on video but I'd never seen it before so assumed that was how it was supposed to look.

    Then a few weeks later I watched 'Mad Men' on the same TV which I know was shot in a certain way, and was like WTF? Whats the TV doing to the picture? All the 'film look' had gone and the scenes looked like something from Coronation Street. After some research I discovered this was an annoying default setting.

    What weirds me though is how some people don't even notice.
     
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  7. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

    I thought modern films just looked shit tbh. :D
     
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  8. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Many people also seem to be perfectly happy to watch a squashed or stretched image, because they haven't set their aspect ratios up or the just want everything to fill up the screen without black bars on the sides or bottom.

    People ! :mad:
     
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  9. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    I've noticed it but didn't know what it was. Just that there was something different about the way things looked but I couldn't quite say what it was.
     
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  10. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    On Samsung TVs it's called "motion plus" and at least on my TV you have to go through some advanced picture settings to switch it off. There'll be guides online for most sets I'm sure.
     
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  11. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    Which button do I press to change this setting?

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  12. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown Well-Known Member

    I noticed it on my folks TV when I was there last Christmas (I don't have a TV myself). I tried watching Double Indemnity on Netflix and couldn't believe how bad it looked, I then tried a couple of other films and all of them looked so bad i gave up (I tried playing with the colour settings with no luck). Everyone else was wondering what my problem was.

    I'll have a look for the Motion Plus setting when I'm back there this year, pretty sure its a Samsung.
     
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  13. NoXion

    NoXion It's been 600 years...

    Is this video an accurate representation of this effect?



    Because I must say, the 60fps version looks much better than the 24fps. But then I play a lot of video games, so maybe I'm more used to seeing things at 60fps or higher.
     
  14. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    Yeah, used to have an argument with the Da about him watching stuff on the wrong aspect ratio. Didn't bother him at all. The motion smoothing thing I've noticed on some of the new tellies in the store and it does have that Hobbit vibe. The better half and I are currently arguing over it on the new telly, so when I saw this story this morning I felt vindicated that I wasn't just imagining it all :)
     
  15. cheesethief

    cheesethief Well-Known Member

    I miss a bit of nice, cheap wood effect on a telly...:(

    It kind of subtly said "This is the main TV, it lives in the living room". As opposed to a small, cheap & nasty plastic affair that one might find in the bedrooms or kitchens of those well-to-do second TV households.
     
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  16. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    Oh! So my old flatscreen didn’t do this, and then I got a replacement second hand from my sister’s stepson. I thought it was because the replacement was a bit shit! Had no idea some aesthetically challenged tech-head had deliberately invented this effect. It looks fucking awful!
     
  17. lizzieloo

    lizzieloo Numpty extraordinaire

    Can someone explain what to look for in the settings please
     
  18. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Aha, so this is why everyone's posh tellies look shit?

    I've never had a posh telly so I've always been :confused: when I go to my Mam's and see her £1k rectangle produce absolute awful pictures.
     
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  19. Buddy Bradley

    Buddy Bradley Pantheistic solipsist

    I noticed this recently too, having only just upgraded to a decent spec TV. Will try disabling it and see if it improves things.
     
  20. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    This button -
    downlobutad.jpg ;)
     
  21. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    Here's some manufacturer names for icky-soap-opera-mode:

    • SONY Motionflow
    • Samsung Auto Motion Plus
    • Sharp AquoMotion
    • Toshiba ClearFrame or ClearScan
    • Vizio Smooth Motion
    • LG TruMotion
    • JVC Clear Motion Drive
     
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  22. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

  23. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

  24. stdP

    stdP I never learn.

    I'm willing to bet I'm the only person in this thread with their own colourimeter ;) As you can imagine I spend a lot of time having apoplectic fits whenever I see someone's TV using motion smoothing, 100% saturation, 100% contrast, in the wrong aspect ratio.

    I dunno about sports as I don't watch them (stuff on my TV is 90% films) but as far as motion smoothing/interpolation for games goes, on all the sets I've used it generates a pretty massive input lag of 100ms or more. It gives me a headache almost every time I see it.
     
  25. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins There's been a slight cheese accident

    I am so glad I've seen this thread as I've been appalled at how bad a lot of movies look on modern TVs and I had no idea why. I thought it's just how it is these days.

    I'm about to buy a new TV and will set mine up properly for films. I never watch sport anyway.
     
  26. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    I'd be delighted to take that bet. How about fifty quid? :cool:
     
  27. RoyReed

    RoyReed Must fly!

    You lose :D
     
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  28. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    Trying to work out whether I make fifty quid 'cause I have a Colormunki or whether I make two lots of fifty quid because you have a colourimeter also...
     
  29. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    My Samsung TV has "sports mode" which is really bright and it hurts my eyes. Is this what people are talking about? I don't even use it to watch sports.
     
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  30. lizzieloo

    lizzieloo Numpty extraordinaire

    Even though none of you feckers answered my question :mad: I figured it out.

    I went deep into the menu and now it looks like the people on my telly are in the room, why every default setting is on "shite" I have no idea, each thing I changed made it a bit better.

    Weird.
     
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