The Self Indulgent Bob Dylan Appreciation Thread

[dylans]

No, he really doesn't

He does. He really does


And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin',
Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world,
Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin',
Heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin',
Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin',
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter,
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

 

[Vider]

the one track town/it's brown/and a breeze too/
pack up real neat, sweet, we're heading out/ to witchita and a pile of fruit/
get the loot/don't be slow/we're gonna catch a trout.

 

[chazegee]

Bob Dylan uses language and music in a super-sophisticated way.

Well, his harmonica and guitar weren't super sophisticated, The Bands playing was though.

 

[chazegee]

On Fame.

 

[Roadkill]

That was great. I love the Bob on this tour. He's really enjoying himself.

Apparently not, actually. I read something about it years ago - in a Q special on Dylan, IIRC. On the night most of Hard Rain was recorded it was pissing with rain, the band kept getting electric shocks from their equipment, and everyone was pissed off. Dylan's marriage to Sara Lownds was collapsing and he'd been drinking very heavily and shagging one of his backing singers for days beforehand. Not long before the gig Sara had shown up and demanded to know what he was playing at. According to some, she was by the stage, only to hear Dylan turn 'Lay Lady Lay' - a love song he'd written for her - into a song about drunken one night stands. I see Hard Rain more in the same light as Blood on the Tracks: really not a happy record, which is perhaps why it's a brilliant one.

 

[dylans]

Apparently not, actually. I read something about it years ago - in a Q special on Dylan, IIRC. On the night most of Hard Rain was recorded it was pissing with rain, the band kept getting electric shocks from their equipment, and everyone was pissed off. Dylan's marriage to Sara Lownds was collapsing and he'd been drinking very heavily and shagging one of his backing singers for days beforehand. Not long before the gig Sara had shown up and demanded to know what he was playing at. According to some, she was by the stage, only to hear Dylan turn 'Lay Lady Lay' - a love song he'd written for her - into a song about drunken one night stands. I see Hard Rain more in the same light as Blood on the Tracks: really not a happy record, which is perhaps why it's a brilliant one.

Interesting. I didn't know that thanks. It certainly is brilliant and there is no denying the raw passion and energy on that tour. I think they show Dylan at his creative best

Like a rolling stone. From the same tour.

 

[sojourner]

oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh yes he does.

...not


Can't be arsed intellectualising an over-rated shite harmonica player tbh

 

[dylans]

...not


Can't be arsed intellectualising an over-rated shite harmonica player tbh

Don't then!

Go and post on a thread where you feel you have something to say other than "He's shite."

Not difficult is it?

 

[stupid dogbot]

...not


Can't be arsed intellectualising an over-rated shite harmonica player tbh

Yet you love Jack White, who's a massively over-rated two note guitar player...

 

[sojourner]

Don't then!

Go and post on a thread where you feel you have something to say other than "He's shite."

Not difficult is it?

I didn't post 'he's shite' to begin with, I disputed the post about him using 'language and music in a super-sophisticated way', because it's clearly bollocks.

annnnnd I'll post wherever the fuck I like, ta

 

[sojourner]

Yet you love Jack White, who's a massively over-rated two note guitar player...

Ah, but Jack had heart and soul and big garage balls mate, there's a difference

He's shite now mind - have you heard that fucking Horehound album? Dire.

 

[belboid]

I didn't post 'he's shite' to begin with, I disputed the post about him using 'language and music in a super-sophisticated way', because it's clearly bollocks.

annnnnd I'll post wherever the fuck I like, ta

is it? How so? The allusions and imagery of his earlier work (up to the mid seventies)are sophisticated and multi-layered. His use of meter is unusual and inventive. Sounds pretty 'sophisticated' to me.

Is there any musician you'd say did use language in such a way? And/or how would you typify Dylans linguistics?

 

[sojourner]

As I said mate, I can't be arsed

I'm not in the Dylan fan club

Unlike some of you rabidly defensive knobheads

 

[belboid]

I see, so you can't support your argument, if you even really agree with it. It was just another 'I hate Bob Dylan' thing. Fair enough, tho why some people feel a positive need to restate their dislike over and over is a bit beyond me.

(looks for bewildered smilie)

 

[sojourner]

Is there something you just don't understand about the phrase 'can't be arsed'?

I think it's clear enough.

 

[Vider]

this version of restless fairwell is incredible, imo. far better than the studio cut!

 

[belboid]

I understand it all too well, normally a cover for 'I dont really know'

(it does add another level of 'whats the point?' tho. 'I came here to say X is shit, but cant be arsed to explain why')

 

[sojourner]

I understand it all too well, normally a cover for 'I dont really know'

Is it?

That's nice dear

I think you probably know me well enough by now to know that I may well have more than an inkling of knowledge, but that I really just cannot be arsed

Still, fun to wind up the Dylan obsessives, passes the time, you know

 

[Vider]

...and the dark does die...as the curtain is drawn...and somebodies eyes must meet the dawn...

 

[Vider]

...so i'll make my stand...and remain as i am...and bid fairwell...and not give a damn....

 

[Vider]

sojournor - this song, is it shit to you?

 

[sojourner]

Is this the 'oh but you haven't listened to THIS one' line?

How boring

 

[belboid]

Is it?

That's nice dear

I think you probably know me well enough by now to know that I may well have more than an inkling of knowledge, but that I really just cannot be arsed

Still, fun to wind up the Dylan obsessives, passes the time, you know

well, if you just wanna have a bit of fun with it, do it better! Point out how Dylan was nothing but a Donovan rip-off, how Sara wrote half his lyrics, something actually annoying that could get a proper reaction!

tssk tssk, you're no Phil Dwyer I'm afraid

 

[Vider]

yeah, he's a shit wind-up tbh.

 

[sojourner]

well, if you just wanna have a bit of fun with it, do it better!

No!

I

can't


be


arsed

 

[sojourner]

yeah, he's a shit wind-up tbh.

He? Who 'he'?

 

[Vider]

He? Who 'he'?

you, you big fat nob face

 

[belboid]

No!

I

can't


be


arsed

- sighs - y'know, if you'd put half the energy you've spent writing 'I cant be arsed' into a devastating critique, we'd probably all have burnt all our (original seventies) vinyl by now.....

 

[sojourner]

you, you big fat nob face

Listen gobshite, I'm all woman

And it's 'knob', you fucking bellend

 

[belboid]

oi! who are you calling...oh, I see