The Rugby thread: 2018-2019 raving, rants, and refs

Discussion in 'general sports' started by flypanam, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    What's league got to do with it? Edwards has proven himself to be a fine defence coach and he's from league.

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  2. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Yes, but Farrell is not getting promoted to the defence coach job, is he?
     
  3. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    He's in a coaching team with JS. He'll know how he works. I don't think it's a massive leap from being part of a coaching team to become the Head coach and his league background is fuck all do with his ability to be a head coach. Surely you can see that?

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  4. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    I agree with that but also he's steeped in Rugby whatever the code, I mean he played for GB when he was a teenager, and the fact that he's done so much in both codes suggests that he's a serious operator and student of the game. I mean it's not like Brian Noble is taking over the side.

    IRFU back Andy Farrell for daunting task of succeeding Joe Schmidt
     
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  5. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    It's a fair question, he's a good defence coach because of his league background, but will he know what a pack does etc?. How will he know how it works?.
     
  6. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Valid questions, quite a bold move giving the head coach role of the #1 team in the world to someone who has never been a head coach. I would definitely be a bit miffed if I was Irish.
     
  7. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Have to disagree with this. So much more on your plate in regards to selection, tactics, getting the players mentally prepared. It's a big leap.
     
  8. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    But he's seen so much of that already, the's had two and a half years with JS and two tours with the Lions with WG. Even if he was green, there is still 11 months to learn as much as JS can teach. And JS will teach him.
     
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  9. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    sleaterkinney I do understand the concern, given the distance we have travelled from that loss to Italy to beating the AB. Anyone taking over from Joe is gonna be under pressure, I'd rather someone taking over that a. has the trust of players and b. knows the structures and processes that have lead to our present success. Farrell has that level of respect, and he deserves his chance. There is a fantastic crop of young players coming through, for Farrell that has to be spur to success.

    but if it does go belly up, then it goes belly up. No doubt I'll be pissed but it is only a game, one that we can take too seriously at times.
     
  10. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    "And why not? Everywhere he has played and coached, Farrell has been a winner far more often than not. He was captaining Great Britain at rugby league at 21, scored over 3,000 points in 370 games for Wigan, was the youngest player ever to taste victory in a Challenge Cup final at 17 years 11 months and became only the second British player, after Ellery Hanley, to be crowned world player of the year. As the defence coach on the last two British and Irish Lions tours, he has yet to lose a series.

    Players, not least in Ireland, love him for two main reasons. Firstly, he has walked the walk, which always commands respect. Perhaps even more significantly he speaks their language. It is years ago now that a vastly experienced former national head coach told me the recently retired Farrell was an absolute natural in terms of simple and effective communication. When he talks players listen and, more often than not, make a mental note never to let him down"

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  11. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

  12. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Of course, but I think the step up from assistant to head coach is quite a big one. Just surprised that the best team in the world, when losing the best coach in the world, opt for someone with no experience being the number one.
     
  13. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    Well we're not the best team in world and it would be churlish to think we are. NZ still are the best according to rankings and results. One swallow and all that.

    It’s a succession plan much along the lines that Wales have only unlike Pivac Farrell knows the structures and demands of his employers has spent three years learning from the best and of course will employ a specialist attack coach.

    The role of head coach is just as much organiser as selector.

    Anyway it’s all talk until he takes the reins, there’s a six nations first.
     
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  14. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

  15. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Yep, agree with all that tbh. The best in the world tag was applied ever so slightly tongue in cheek mind you, although I'd be happy to apply it again if we beat you next Spring. ;)
     
  16. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

  17. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    The stuff came out during the fall out of them being knocked out would suggest there's a grain of truth in what he says. The article is quoting Burgess and its not about Burgess.

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  18. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Very well might be, but parachuting in a league player so soon before the WC can't have done much for team morale.
     
  19. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    Burgess is a fucking quality player. I think he more than proved himself on the pitch. If morale of team players is affected by a good player being in the team then the team is broken and sounds like egos all vying for attention. And given the noises that came out of the camp after their exit I'd also suggest that sounds true too. I don't recall any waiting periods for cross code players. I could be wrong. Fact is players aren't brought in if they're shit. Any coach that selects or 'parachutes' in a player that isn't up to scratch won't be worthy of a coaching position.

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  20. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    Burgess is utter quality, given that the whole world was agog at Sonny Bill why wouldn’t England have taken a punt. I mean same build, similar ability. Too risky not to try it.

    I wonder if the pressure of the home World Cup got to the players.

    Anyhow it’s immaterial now, it’s Jones’ turn to ruin England.
     
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  21. Grandma Death

    Grandma Death Reconfiguring & Reconstructing

    Indeed. I'm a fan of league. Burgess is a fucking bulldozer. As a Welsh fan I was concerned when he was brought in. Turns out my worries were misplaced though

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  22. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

    I had been wondering when Sarries-Chiefs was coming, and Durders confirmed on the highlights that C5 will be showing it live. After 21 years, C5 is finally making a case for itself.
     
  23. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    Poor old Mr Mulvihill has just found out how egregious Pro14 reffing is both in general and specifically when you're playing away in Ireland.

    Cardiff Blues coach John Mulvihill 'sick' of poor Pro14 refereeing

    Pity more coaches don't speak out as vociferously on the appalling/bent standards, it might actually change something.
     
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  24. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    Last edited: Dec 5, 2018
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  25. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    Not like Cockerill to complain, must have been bad.
     
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  26. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    :D
     
  27. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Surprised it's not come up more in the past, it's their jobs on the line at the end of the day.
     
  28. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    What fucks me off is the craven attitude of the commentators and pundits; pretty much ex players to a man, who have been on the sharp end of poor or bent decisions by refs in the same league in the past but who for whatever reason choose to adopt the three wise monkey approach to calling what they see when it transpires on the pitch. This shit needs to be called for what it is as and when it happens - it is in football, for example, which is no bad thing - or it'll just carry on as per...
     
  29. gawkrodger

    gawkrodger Well-Known Member

  30. flypanam

    flypanam Local oaf

    Has Ford a reputation? I know nowt about him really, except his dad Mike was a pretty useful defence coach.
     

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