The Rolling Stones Crap/Not Crap?

Dubversion · Oct 11, 2005

Orangesanlemons said:
If you've got Hot Rocks (the singles comp) and Exile On Main Street then you don't really need anything else. Great band, sometimes. Best listened to in conjunction with reading Stoned, vol 1.

bah, Exile's totally over-rated IMO..

but i do think you could condense all the Stones stuff worth having onto about 3 CDs at most.. the storming 60s singles (especially stuff like Paint It Black, which just makes the Beatles look totally limp) and then tracks like Fool To Cry, Wild Horses, Beast Of Burden...

Johnny Canuck3 · Oct 11, 2005

Dubversion said:
bah, Exile's totally over-rated IMO..

but i do think you could condense all the Stones stuff worth having onto about 3 CDs at most.. the storming 60s singles (especially stuff like Paint It Black, which just makes the Beatles look totally limp) and then tracks like Fool To Cry, Wild Horses, Beast Of Burden...

I think Exile's their best album, followed maybe by Let It Bleed.

Iam · Oct 11, 2005

Dubversion said:
bah, Exile's totally over-rated IMO..

but i do think you could condense all the Stones stuff worth having onto about 3 CDs at most.. the storming 60s singles (especially stuff like Paint It Black, which just makes the Beatles look totally limp) and then tracks like Fool To Cry, Wild Horses, Beast Of Burden...

^^ Word.

Some great tracks around, but I can (and do) live without 90% of their recorded output.

Dubversion · Oct 11, 2005

Exile is just sloppy crap, IMO.. people fetishise it because it's, like, sooo fucked up, man, but i can live without the sound of some junkies struggling to stay awake while churning out lacklustre blues riffs. and the whole sound and look of that album gave us shit junkie bands for years to come, 'elegantly wasted' and conspicously flaunting bottles of JD for effect. just boring, sloppy and indulgent..

IMO

Johnny Canuck3 · Oct 11, 2005

Exile is the album where a bunch of white boys finally get balls enough to pay proper homage to where their genre originated from.

Orangesanlemons · Oct 12, 2005

Dubversion said:
bah, Exile's totally over-rated

I thought that for about ten years, played it a few times and couldn't figure out the hype at all.
Then I bought it on a whim a few months ago and i've been playing it ever since. it suddenly clicked. I take your point about the 'elegantly wasted' cliches, but it's a good album in a certain genre, that's all.

It's also fun spotting the Primal Scream/Charlatans rip-offs. I mean 'Torn and Frayed' ffs! Yeah, it's a matter of taste indeed...

Johnny Canuck3 · Oct 12, 2005

Orangesanlemons said:
I thought that for about ten years, played it a few times and couldn't figure out the hype at all.
Then I bought it on a whim a few months ago and i've been playing it ever since. it suddenly clicked. I take your point about the 'elegantly wasted' cliches, but it's a good album in a certain genre, that's all.

It's also fun spotting the Primal Scream/Charlatans rip-offs. I mean 'Torn and Frayed' ffs! Yeah, it's a matter of taste indeed...

Perhaps it's a matter of associations. My recollection is hot summer nights just after the album came out, sweating and shirtless in a basement, with saxophones, playing along to Rocks Off.

Dubversion · Oct 12, 2005

Johnny Canuck2 said:
Perhaps it's a matter of associations. My recollection is hot summer nights just after the album came out, sweating and shirtless in a basement, with saxophones, playing along to Rocks Off.

see, if i didn't like Exile before, NOW it'll actually make me feel nauseous.

Johnny Canuck3 · Oct 12, 2005

Dubversion said:
see, if i didn't like Exile before, NOW it'll actually make me feel nauseous.

...and we had really long hair, stuck to our backs.

Orangesanlemons · Oct 12, 2005

I've gone off it myself now.

Johnny Canuck3 · Oct 12, 2005

...lying on the floor, legs kicking into the air......

Orangesanlemons · Oct 12, 2005

Well that explains the hair sticking to your back I guess.

Kaka Tim · Oct 12, 2005

Orangesanlemons said:
Well that explains the hair sticking to your back I guess.

No - that was someone else's hair.

(urgh)

poului · Oct 12, 2005

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Exile's got some GREAT tracks on it IMO - dunno if it's their best, I rate Let it Bleed, Beggars Banquet, Sticky Fingers and Aftermath just as much.

Although I still fucking can't stand "You Can't Always Get What You Want".

eurgh.

Roadkill · Oct 12, 2005

Gods of Rock is going a bit far, but they certainly weren't crap.

These days they're a good advert for avoiding drugs though. Kieth Richards and Ronnie Wood, especially, are a pair of mumbling, shambling, dribbling heroin casualties.

Major Tom · Oct 12, 2005

I go through phases. I used to love their sixties pop stuff - but not so much these days.

Then I got into their psychedelic phase, and still thing Satanic Majesty is a well under-rated album.

after that - I got into the late 60s ealry 70s dark period. Love Exile, Let it Bleed, Baggars Banquet, Sticky Fingers.

Finally - a couple of years ago - got round to the mid to late 70s stuff. It's growing on me - recently I've been enjoying Some Girls.

The Stones are definitely not crap.

Bomber · Oct 12, 2005

Orangesanlemons said:
It's also fun spotting the Primal Scream/Charlatans rip-offs. I mean 'Torn and Frayed' ffs! Yeah, it's a matter of taste indeed...

OK, am I missing something here ? Are you saying the Stones ripped off Primal Scream/Charlatans ? If so ................. :rolleyes:

If not , what the bloody hell are you talking about ?!! :mad:

Major Tom · Oct 12, 2005

Bomber said:
OK, am I missing something here ? Are you saying the Stones ripped off Primal Scream/Charlatans ? If so ................. If not , what the bloody hell are you talking about ?!!

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Bomber · Oct 12, 2005

Major Tom said:
other

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Kind of hoped so !

brahaminda · Oct 12, 2005

Can't we have a 'not as good as the Beatles but

When, Oh when, Oh when are you people going to learn
Beatles=NOT THAT GOOD
Ask dubversion
he'll tell you

stereotypical · Oct 12, 2005

The stones up until the 80's rocked, sod the beatles. Gimme a bit of Jumpin Jack Flash or Gimme Shelter :cool:

thestraightman · Oct 12, 2005

Antony Kiedis didn't have much good to say about touring with the stones in his Scar Tissue book. Thing is, the Peppers are probably going that way now.

p.s. Dubversion will also tell you(after a few pints) that he really loves the Beatles, but his job as ranking counterculture poster dictates that he must claim the opposite(like the black guy in chasing Amy)

BadlyDrawnGirl · Oct 12, 2005

brahaminda said:
When, Oh when, Oh when are you people going to learn
Beatles=NOT THAT GOOD
Ask dubversion
he'll tell you

Overrated, I'll give you that, but still invented a lot of what's around us today.

Better than all of them, though, were The Kinks... :cool:

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