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The Recording from Flight 93

AnnO'Neemus said:
Equally cowardly behaviour? Or are you going to argue they're all heroes?

No, he agreed with the iraq 'war'.

It seems that civilians are not allowed to do what those in power do.

Where johnny gets it all fatally flawed is that he cannot recognise the causes of civilan terrorism. He has not got it yet that state terrorism is responsible, and in both cases we average humans cop it. All terrorists use normal peacable human beings to fight their pathetic fights. From OBL to GWB to TB, they are the killers of humanity and peace and justice and fairness for the rest of us.
 
I read that last night - terrifying.

But it was nearly 5 years ago and plenty have paid and are paying the price...


These consiprawars on Urban75 are as tedious as mac/pc wars, from both sides.
 
Dhimmi said:
The tapes aren't going to be released. They've been played to the families of the deceased, but only the transcripts are available to the public.
"Hamilton Peterson, whose parents were on Flight 93, earlier heard an enhanced audio version that was played for family members only."
from the NBC story.
Thank you. That's what I thought, but in the OP Johnny Canuck gave the impression we could hear it for ourselves, so I was checking.
 
Jazzz said:
Thank you. That's what I thought, but in the OP Johnny Canuck gave the impression we could hear it for ourselves, so I was checking.
Do you still think the calls were faked and the people on the ground were too stupid to recognise that they weren't having emotional parting conversations with their loved ones but they were, in fact, being duped by a team of CIA Mike Yarwoods capable of doing on-the-spot note-perfect impressions?
 
Yuwipi Woman said:

Just for clarity:

This is the ATC <-> UA93 recording, which has been available since (IIRC) 2002.
The topic under discussion is the UA93 cockpit voice recording, which has not been released to the public, only a transcription.

It should also be noted that this is not the Flight 93 cockpit tape that the families of passengers were allowed to hear under strictly controlled conditions in April 2002 [read more]. According to the Associated Press, that tape is around 30 minutes long and the final 5 to 7 minutes are "filled with violence and yelling in both Arabic and English." Obviously, that recording is not the one presented here, which contains four minutes of communications from an air traffic controller, several planes in the vicinity, and two brief bursts from Flight 93.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm
 
Jazzz said:
Thank you. That's what I thought, but in the OP Johnny Canuck gave the impression we could hear it for ourselves, so I was checking.

No worries I thought that was what you thought but Johnny didn't seem to be responding.
 
Jazzz said:
Thank you. That's what I thought, but in the OP Johnny Canuck gave the impression we could hear it for ourselves, so I was checking.

Bad language usage by me. It's transcript only.

Maybe after reading the transcript, I was hearing the sounds in my head, and that's why I wrote it that way.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Maybe after reading the transcript, I was hearing the sounds in my head, and that's why I wrote it that way.
Maybe you should just watch the movie, then you wouldn't have to listen to the imaginary voices - you can have it all, widescreen. :)
 
editor said:
Do you still think the calls were faked and the people on the ground were too stupid to recognise that they weren't having emotional parting conversations with their loved ones but they were, in fact, being duped by a team of CIA Mike Yarwoods capable of doing on-the-spot note-perfect impressions?
Still hopeful for an answer, Jazzz...
 
fela fan said:
No, he agreed with the iraq 'war'.

It seems that civilians are not allowed to do what those in power do.

Where johnny gets it all fatally flawed is that he cannot recognise the causes of civilan terrorism. He has not got it yet that state terrorism is responsible, and in both cases we average humans cop it. .

You've been inside my head or something?

The janjaweed are terrorists. What state terrorism are they combatting?
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
For all you naysayers in the crowd, the cockpit recording from flight 93 has been released.

You can now hear the sounds of the craven cowards killing members of the flight crew, and of them arguing in Arabic over how to manoeuver the plane.

http://files.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/flight93transcript.pdf

http://www.nbc11.com/news/8645613/detail.html?rss=bay&psp=news

If people can believe that the moon landing was fake footage...I'm sure they can stretch to questioning those recordings....
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Arguably, the KKK were terrorists. What state terrorism were they combatting?

"Arguably"? The KKK are terrorists. Please note the correct use of tense here. The KKK still exist.

But why do you bring up the KKK, JC? :confused:
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
You've been inside my head or something?

The janjaweed are terrorists. What state terrorism are they combatting?

The Janjaweed are state-sponsored terrorists. They don't combat, they perpetrate.
They're "combatting" the "terrorism" of people who don't want to leave their (possibly) mineral resources-rich land.
Thing is, if the people of Darfur fought back with the ferocity the Janjaweed have displayed, they'd just be giving their government a reason to move from paramilitary harassment to military harassment.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Arguably, the KKK were terrorists. What state terrorism were they combatting?
Were they not originally set up to continue resistance against northern rule after the civil war?
 
The KKK and Nathan Bedford Forrest

After the war, Forrest settled in Memphis, Tennessee, building a house on a bank of the Mississippi River. Slavery abolished and financially ruined, Forrest was said to have been "wiped-out" at this time. He was eventually employed by the Selma, Marion & Memphis Railroad and became the company president. As a private citizen, Forrest was well known for his kindness and generosity to former comrades who called on him.

It was during this time that he became the nexus of the nascent Ku Klux Klan movement. According to one oral report, George Gordon, a former Confederate brigadier general, went to Forrest in Memphis and told him about the new organization, to which Forrest replied, "That's a good thing; that's a damn good thing. We can use that to keep the niggers in their place." He was acclaimed at a Nashville, Tennessee, KKK convention (1867) as the first Grand Wizard, or leader-in-chief of that organization. In an 1868 newspaper interview, Forrest boasted that the Klan was a nationwide organization of 550,000 men, and that although he himself was not a member, he was "in sympathy" and would "cooperate" with them, and could himself muster 40,000 Klansmen with five days' notice. He stated that the Klan did not see blacks as its enemy so much as "carpetbaggers" (northerners who came south after the war ended) and "scalawags" (white Republican southerners).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

Perhaps JC would like to invite dilute_micro over for another chat. :D

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm
 
TAE said:
Were they not originally set up to continue resistance against northern rule after the civil war?

As I understand it, they came into existence to combat changes introduced by the Federal govt, like the black vote, something guaranteed to change the old order.

So the question is whether or not the actions of the federal govt constituted terrorism.
 
I guess from their point of view, the government was telling them that they were no longer allowed to do certain things (like enslaving people), hence they felt oppressed. A bit like the pro-hunt lobby in the UK right now.

We're on page 3 and we've already gone from Flight93 to discussing the KKK.
 
TAE said:
I guess from their point of view, the government was telling them that they were no longer allowed to do certain things (like enslaving people), hence they felt oppressed. A bit like the pro-hunt lobby in the UK right now.

We're on page 3 and we've already gone from Flight93 to discussing the KKK.

Blasphemous, isn't it?
 
TAE said:
I guess from their point of view, the government was telling them that they were no longer allowed to do certain things (like enslaving people), hence they felt oppressed. A bit like the pro-hunt lobby in the UK right now.

We're on page 3 and we've already gone from Flight93 to discussing the KKK.

You can blame you-know-who for that. ;)
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
As I understand it, they came into existence to combat changes introduced by the Federal govt, like the black vote, something guaranteed to change the old order.

So the question is whether or not the actions of the federal govt constituted terrorism.

You're not doing very well here, JC. The KKK were formed as a terrorist organisation to resist Reconstruction.

Even someone as simple as you should be able to Google that.
 
Lock&Light said:
Did you not read the posting from fela fan?

JC's mention of the KKK was obviously and clearly a reply to that.

Wrong, in post 44 he isn't replying to anyone.

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Arguably, the KKK were terrorists. What state terrorism were they combatting?

I get the feeling that you're just nitpicking in the usual way: that is to say, you're bored, full of yourself and think that you can go around an have a pop at those whom you hate.

You're as transparent as fuck.
 
nino_savatte said:
Wrong, in post 44 he isn't replying to anyone.

JC is continuing his reply from the previous posting, as any, reasonable, non-angry, young man would be able to see.
 
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