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"The recession is a test of character the British people must pass"

JohnnyOrange said:
Yes, yes it is.



Unless hypnotism was involved, nobody was hapless. They had every opportunity to work out what they could afford to borrow and either decide to borrow or not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm neither defending the Government nor the banks but in terms of personal borrowing, it's nobody's fault but our own.
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Well it was either borrow the money, or sign a new six month lease every six months for more money than last time. To the accompaniment of

"you're either with us, ... or without."

Some choice.
 
It doesnt really matter how many people on U75 slag off The Clunk, there's a lot of traditional labour voters who are lapping up all this shit.

They think he knows what he is doing, they cant quite get their heads round the fact that he has been singing from the same song sheet that is behind the problems. They believe the lie that this is all someone else's fault and they are likely to carry on voting for a party that is a serious menace to our environment, our freedom and our future financial stability.

The only way they'll change their minds is if they or someone close loses their job, because most of them are as selfish and short sighted as any other tory.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
It doesnt really matter how many people on U75 slag off The Clunk, there's a lot of traditional labour voters who are lapping up all this shit.

They think he knows what he is doing, they cant quite get their heads round the fact that he has been singing from the same song sheet that is behind the problems. They believe the lie that this is all someone else's fault and they are likely to carry on voting for a party that is a serious menace to our environment, our freedom and our future financial stability.

The only way they'll change their minds is if they or someone close loses their job, because most of them are as selfish and short sighted as any other tory.
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You are just saying that because you are full of Christmas cheer at the moment arent you Taffboy :)

The Clunk or Brown as he is also known is for some odd reason seen as a 'safe pair of hands' at the moment. People would rather have a slow drip feed recession than the full on economic devastation the Tories would bring. Unfortunately all alternatives to the left of Labour (including some of the nationalist alternatives) arent viewed as credible

Have another beer mate, while you can still afford it!!
 
JohnnyOrange said:
It's not robbery at all. The boom was too big, confidence got too high and now things have to right themselves.
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All this talk of a boom (albeit past tense) is rather puzzling to me, as far as I've noticed the majority of people have been stuggling to get by over the last ten years or so just as they always have. For the working class it's never so much a case of 'boom and bust' as 'bad and worse' :(

To be asked to pay the price for affluence one never enjoyed in the first place is a bit much IMO; particularly as the least affluent will, as always, suffer the most.
 
you can't just keep getting more and more right wing without a big disaster happening and they MUST now do something left wing or the whole country will collapse
 
nightbreed said:
Unfortunately all alternatives to the left of Labour (including some of the nationalist alternatives) arent viewed as credible

Have another beer mate, while you can still afford it!!
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How much press attention has The Green New Deal received?

Clue: none.

For "viewed as credible" read "viewed as credible by the kind of fuckwits that landed us in this mess"
 
I asked someone I know who lives in a Scottish town, economically decimated by the decline of coal mining and heavy industry what he thought of the global financial crisis. He said:

"It's nothing new. We've already lived in a downturn here all our lives"
 
trevhagl said:
you can't just keep getting more and more right wing without a big disaster happening and they MUST now do something left wing or the whole country will collapse
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Your right trev the rules of the game could well change.have noticed that the view of some people is that this slump is just a readjustment and things will return to as they were .i don't know about that i suspect this is going to be a time of change whether for the good only time will tell
 
shagnasty said:
Your right trev the rules of the game could well change.have noticed that the view of some people is that this slump is just a readjustment and things will return to as they were .i don't know about that i suspect this is going to be a time of change whether for the good only time will tell
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What 'game?'

We know that this sort of thing happens in cycles.

We know that the world didn't end after the last one, or the one before that.

We know it's likely we'll get through it, especially if we can hold onto a job.

So, rather than bellyaching about how Gordon's a bad man (which we probably all agree with to some extent it's not worth debating), shall we just all get on and cope?
 
JohnnyOrange said:
What 'game?'

We know that this sort of thing happens in cycles.

We know that the world didn't end after the last one, or the one before that.

We know it's likely we'll get through it, especially if we can hold onto a job.

So, rather than bellyaching about how Gordon's a bad man (which we probably all agree with to some extent it's not worth debating), shall we just all get on and cope?
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But dammit, that's what he's expecting you to do...;)
 
MikeMcc said:
But dammit, that's what he's expecting you to do...;)
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Bwuh?!

So what shall we all do instead? Run around with our hands in the air shouting 'poor me!'

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Or just get on with it, get over it, grow older and look back and laugh about who the fuck Gordon Brown was?

Or shall we do what he's not expecting us to do, which is what, exactly? :confused:
 
I'm intrigued about this "wartime spirit" stuff. It's not like we're all being conscripted to do/fight something. It's not like we're having bombs dropped on us from the sky. I can't see politicians of any parties going down the local job centre saying to the unemployed: "Come on boys, that's the spirit, we'll get through this!"
 
Gurning Gonad is a piss-taking twat: our economy is so screwed largely because of the explosion of debt, which financed the boom years when he was chancellor! And not content with selling off what remained of our "family silver", he and Tory B Liar also sold off (gave away?) our gold - when gold was at its lowest price in 20 years. Gold has since risen in price by over 250%.

If it can be shown that these arseholes were actually Compos Mentis and responsible for their actions, they should be charged with treason for wilfully and recklessly endangering the well-being of our country.

:mad:
 
Shevek said:
What I can't understand is why the finance sector is the one sector that gets bailed out to the tune of Billions of pounds. ..<snip>.. I feel like saying let them all go to the wall but I would have a 1930's depression type situation where demagogues like Hitler could rise.
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you pretty much answered your own question, the morality of giving all that money to the banks stinks, but the risk of a full-scale slump (and maybe it can't be avoided anyway) probably means there isn't much of a realistic alternative right now.
 
Well I agree with Gordon that in 2009 we will see what the British people are made of - but it might not be what he is hoping for.

Also found it funny that he has nicked several of Obama's slogans, and was trying to sound relieved that unbridled free market dogma is on the way out.
 
elbows said:
Well I agree with Gordon that in 2009 we will see what the British people are made of - but it might not be what he is hoping for.
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Hopefully we British folk will rediscover the good old days when we were not so keen to simply roll over and take what our masters so unjustly and sanctimoniously dish out to us. Our government and our employers must be taught to fear us once again, or there will be no end to the oppression, moral blackmail and misery heaped upon us. We are already seeing that our masters have no moral qualms themselves when it comes to sacrificing human souls to inhuman economic forces, we are fools if we think that they will draw a line anywhere but at the very limits of tolerance.
 
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