An Imam is not necessarily a scholar and one who says such utter nonsense has even no clue about such a fundamental issue as Al Qur'an. .
salaam.
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An Imam is not necessarily a scholar and one who says such utter nonsense has even no clue about such a fundamental issue as Al Qur'an. .
salaam.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Well he's a Muslim, so deal with the fact your fellow book followers aren't all as enlightened as you are.
Nougat
metalmonkey to the rescue
I felt it was engineered purely to make the chosen interviewers, or at least those that identified as fully adhering to the teachings of the Koran, to be nothing short of raving extremists.
I don't know why but I didn't expect such blatant one sided journalism from Ch.4
TBH I don't think it exist
DJ Squelch
King Of Insides
Yep, thats just about what was said in the programme. A woman who has had this done is less likely to be adulterous.
Good programme.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Yeah, that guy was a dude. Great range of opinions and interpretations IMO, it gave a good insight into how the written word can be interpreted almost any number of ways according to the need/desire of the interpreter. It was also interesting to see the books themselves, what beautiful artifacts they are.
Idaho
continuity character
El Jefe said:
Magneze said:
Aldabaran said:
Yeah of course I was talking bollocks and I retract it. I just got really affected by that FGM scene. I'm still thinking about it. It just made me so angry that I was punching walls and kicking furniture. I hate being shown things as a passive spectator and yet be utterly powerless to do anything about it. I'd rather remain in blissful ignorance. The frustration of seeing such, well, evil (about the only word that does it justice) made me lash out (verbally).
As for it all being top-down, I'm not sure about that. I think that there needs to be a resevoir of willingness for these ideas to take root. The middle east is willingly walking toward fundamentalist theocracy - mainly because political action has been suppressed there for so long and religious expression has been the only permissable route to political change.
I really want a time machine so I can go back and give Lloyd-George a good fucking kicking - the welsh cunt!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Er, isn't male circumcision permitted/sanctioned in Islam?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yeah, what of it? Are you saying I don't apologise to Muslims? Pointless non-point Nino
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It isn't a "Pointless non-point, Kyser". You were suggesting that it (male circumcision) only occurred within the Jewish community, that is not true.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
It is a pointless non-point, since you're the only person to make a comment about it suggestive of that.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
No, it isn't, you left any reader in no doubt that the practice of male circumcision is unique to Judaism. It is not.
Will you address the same point to our Muslim contingent too?
Idaho
continuity character
Thats uneccesary and all
Oh come on! It was just a joke. Lloyd-George did balls up most of the middle east/Ireland/Turkey/Greece with his dubious partition plans. The welsh bit was just a bit of nonsense. The whole world is made of glass today.
If you wouldnt describe someone as a 'Black Cunt' or a 'Jewish Cunt' etc then dont describe them as a 'Welsh Cunt'.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Neil Kinnock???
Idaho
continuity character
Sorry. Full fucking retraction.
I'd like to go back in time and give Lloyd-George a good kicking - the cunt, who happened to be welsh.
Is that ok?
Grand.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
I totally disagree. I thought it portrayed those who choose extreme interpretations as somewhat extreme (which they clearly are!) but plenty of others who fully adhere to the teachings of the Qur'an as being perfectly normal people with religious belief.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
<considers pm'ing a feminazi to come over and have a hissy fit about use fo the word cunt>
Technicaly, the word 'cunt' is old peasant saxon for a cows vagina. it's also i beleive the technical term for an imam.
Idaho
continuity character
<considers pm'ing a feminazi to come over and have a hissy fit about use fo the word cunt>
Ok - re-retracted:
I'd like to go back in time and give Lloyd-George a good kicking - the earth-rapist, who happened to be welsh.
Watched some of it and rather enjoyed it although thought it skipped over quite a lot of issues concerning FGM. There are Islamic scholars who do try and justify it. To just write it off as nothing more than an African cultural thing does nothing to try and deal with the real horror that is going on now.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Since the Muslim contingent of 1 on this board didn't ask me to, no. And again, you're the only person who's either said that it leaves no doubt only jews circumcise, or indeed raised the point at all.
You do this a lot dude - pick silly fights. But just for you...
Muslims mutilate boy's cocks for religious reasons as well as Jews. So do lots of WASP types in North America, especially Conneticutt.
Better? Got me anyone else I should mention who practice infant circumcision for non-medical reasons?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I'm not picking fights, silly or otherwise. It seems to me that your understanding of the cultural practice of male circumcision is limited at best.
Oh and accusing me of "picking fights a lot" smacks of desperation as well as exaggeration. Perhaps you've heard of the the maxim "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? You're rather fond of the odd scrap yourself, Kyser, so don't play the holier-than-thou.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Now, i'll say this slowly shall I? Yes some Islamic scholars clearly and openly defend FGM. But the point is they do so from a position they have arrived at as their is absolutely no justification for FGM from or in the Qur'an. As such it's important to make it clear, that FGM is contrary to Islamic teaching, it is not defended by the Qur'an and as such those Imams/Scholars who try and defend it are defending unIslamic practises.
So if its so clearly not a part of the Qur'an why do these Scholars openly defend it as being Islamic ? Is it in one of the suras (probably spelt that wrong so apologies ) ?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Because what was a cultural pracitise in various parts of the world has become intertwined with religious observance. In the same way the differences of interpretation of whether women should wear the veil/burqa etc. That too-in what were desert areas-made sense for people, it also becomes/became intertwined so it went from a social/cultural practise to being intertwined again with religious observance.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Some. It only reached touched on it lightly though, really.
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