The Peace for Israel and Gaza Rally in Trafalgar Square today

[untethered]

Straight question: do you think that all or most people who marched on Saturday were bent on trouble, or contemptuous of the law?

No. Sadly what always happens with these kinds of events is that you have a hard core of trouble-makers* keen to demonstrate the lawlessness we saw and a much larger group of naive liberals that unwittingly give them practical and political cover.

I suspect that if we deal more robustly with the latter group the former one will cease to be a problem.

* This phrase used courtesy of every Metropolitan Police press release since 1974. The fact that it's a cliché doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[Roadkill]

No. Sadly what always happens with these kinds of events is that you have a hard core of trouble-makers* keen to demonstrate the lawlessness we saw and a much larger group of naive liberals that unwittingly give them practical and political cover.

I suspect that if we deal more robustly with the latter group the former one will cease to be a problem.

* This phrase used courtesy of every Metropolitan Police press release since 1974. The fact that it's a cliché doesn't mean it's not true.

Priceless.

How do you promise to 'deal robustly' with 'naive liberals,' for heaven's sake?

 

[T & P]

Supporting Israeli citizens and 'peace' between the two peoples, and recognising the actions of the Israeli government for the last two weeks have been fucking barbaric and completely disproportionate are not two mutually exclusive positions to hold.

But if such sentiment was not expressed or shared by those attending the rally yesterday, then I'm afraid that for all the claims of goodwill and desire for peace, they're still cunts.

 

[untethered]

How do you promise to 'deal robustly' with 'naive liberals,' for heaven's sake?

I think there's definitely scope for complete dispersal of demonstrations that cause the kind of mayhem that the Hamas fan club caused at the weekend.

To be more proactive, we could look at pre-emptively banning any marches organised by the various heads of the Socialist Workers' Hydra. They've got more form than Red Rum in this department and I can see no reason why the community should tolerate their self-indulgent disruption any longer.

 

[Roadkill]

I think there's definitely scope for complete dispersal of demonstrations that cause the kind of mayhem that the Hamas fan club caused at the weekend.

To be more proactive, we could look at pre-emptively banning any marches organised by the various heads of the Socialist Workers' Hydra. They've got more form than Red Rum in this department and I can see no reason why the community should tolerate their self-indulgent disruption any longer.

So, not only are you determinedly - and dishonestly - seeking to smear everyone who came out to express opposition to Israel's action as a member of the 'Hamas fan club,' but you want lawful and by and large peaceful (and Saturday was, in the main) demonstrations banned!

 

[T & P]

I think there's definitely scope for complete dispersal of demonstrations that cause the kind of mayhem that the Hamas fan club caused at the weekend.

Stop claiming the tens of thousands of people who were asking for an end to the Israeli atrocities in Gaza were Hamas supporters, cunt. They weren't.

 

[untethered]

So, not only are you determinedly - and dishonestly - seeking to smear everyone who came out to express opposition to Israel's action as a member of the 'Hamas fan club,' but you want lawful and by and large peaceful (and Saturday was, in the main) demonstrations banned!

When we catch a gang of bank robbers we lock the whole lot up -- the lookouts and the getaway driver too, not just the chaps with the firearms.

 

[T & P]

When we catch a gang of bank robbers we lock the whole lot up -- the lookouts and the getaway driver too, not just the chaps with the firearms.

WTF are you on about?

 

[untethered]

Stop claiming the tens of thousands of people who were asking for an end to the Israeli atrocities in Gaza were Hamas supporters, c-. They weren't.

See my previous comments regarding "naive liberals".

 

[Roadkill]

When we catch a gang of bank robbers we lock the whole lot up -- the lookouts and the getaway driver too, not just the chaps with the firearms.

What a ridiculous analogy.

 

[T & P]

See my previous comments regarding "naive liberals".

Nope, still lies and unfounded, bullshit smearing.

 

[TAE]

One speaker I didn't catch his name made the valuable point that an Israeli soldier will stand in front of his or her family to protect them whereas the Hamas terrorists hide behind their families.

Three things:

(a) That sounds very similar to the (rather racist) claim that "Palestinians do not love their children" which a zionist once told me.

(b) If a Hamas fighter were to stand stand in front of his or her family the IDF would just drop a bomb on the whole group.

(c) Do members of the IDF travel on public transport? Would Hamas be justified in bombing civilian busses just because an IDF member may be aboard? I think not.

 

[TAE]

To be more proactive, we could look at pre-emptively banning any marches organised by the various heads of the Socialist Workers' Hydra.

Why not just ban any demo which might contradict or embarress the government?

 

[Corax]

I'd just like to say, for the record and in case it isn't eminently clear to anyone...

...that untethered is an utter, utter, unmitigated and inexcusable dick.



St*rmfront once tried to infiltrate these boards. We now seem to have a bunch of dishonest neocon cunts roaming freely instead.

The political makeup of U75 seems to have changed since I was last here. I know Butchers and a few others are still around to intellectually embarass twats like this, thank fuck. Is Keyser still posting?

 

[untethered]

I'd just like to say, for the record and in case it isn't eminently clear to anyone...

...that untethered is an utter, utter, unmitigated and inexcusable d-.

I'm sorry, have we met?

St*rmfront once tried to infiltrate these boards. We now seem to have a bunch of dishonest neocon c- roaming freely instead.

I take exception to being described as either dishonest or "neocon". To my mind, neocons aren't even worthy of the term "conservative". The "neo" is a con, just as it is in New Labour. The mainstream conservative parties in the UK and USA have been usurped by people with an entirely radical agenda, one which I do not only not share, but to which I am entirely opposed.

The political makeup of U75 seems to have changed since I was last here. I know Butchers and a few others are still around to intellectually embarass twats like this, thank f-. Is Keyser still posting?

Please don't embarrass yourself further with this kind of drivel. It's quite pathetic.

 

[Blagsta]

I'll have this link with you some time tomorrow. Can't be arsed to spoon feed you at the moment and I've got other things to do.

where is it then? You've got 40 minutes.

 

[Corax]

I'm sorry, have we met?

No need. By suggesting "proactively banning" protests you've made your personality quite clear.

I take exception to being described as either dishonest or "neocon". To my mind, neocons aren't even worthy of the term "conservative". The "neo" is a con, just as it is in New Labour. The mainstream conservative parties in the UK and USA have been usurped by people with an entirely radical agenda, one which I do not only not share, but to which I am entirely opposed.

Sorry, do you prefer the term 'fash'?

Please don't embarrass yourself further with this kind of drivel. It's quite pathetic.

I'm sure you're quite aware that you would have been torn to shreds on this forum in the past. Don't try to deny it you snivelling little antilibertarian war-crime apologist; this forum used to be a bearpit for the unprepared, now it's a haven for daily mail scum like you.

 

[cantsin]

I think there's definitely scope for complete dispersal of demonstrations that cause the kind of mayhem that the Hamas fan club caused at the weekend.

To be more proactive, we could look at pre-emptively banning any marches organised by the various heads of the Socialist Workers' Hydra. They've got more form than Red Rum in this department and I can see no reason why the community should tolerate their self-indulgent disruption any longer.

lol - more good, common sense from you -nearly 10k posts of this kind of stuff now, it's a landmark eh !

 

[cantsin]

where is it then? You've got 40 minutes.

= pure bullhsit from Zachor, unsurprisingly

 

[nino_savatte]

this forum used to be a bearpit for the unprepared, now it's a haven for daily mail scum like you.

So true.

 

[Fire]

I went to this today. It was highly successful in terms of numbers and attitude.

I estimated that there were approximately 15000 people there, most of us were holding Israeli or other flags including those of Portugal, Poland and Russia.

Unlike many other demonstrations there was no demagogic fools or misguided celebs up on the stage just speaker after speaker making a heartfelt call for peace for both Israelis and Palestinians and a call for Hamas to act in a peaceful manner.

This was a dignified expression of solidarity with the people of Israel and those imprisoned by the increasingly psychotic Hamas movement.

Speakers stressed that peace had been offered to Hamas but they rejected it, they made clear that Israel had done everything it could to avoid this war but had to use its absolute right to protect its own citizens.

There was no anti Arab racism at all from anyone just the overwhelming desire that both peoples should live in peace.

This is a marked and astounding difference from some of the anti Israel / Pro Hamas rallies that have been led by the Islamists and their useful idiots on the left which have been cesspits of revolting chants and images including the use of swastikas.

Todays rally by stark contrast had none of the naked hatred displayed by those who have attended pro Hamas demonstrations in fact the loudest thing that could be heard from the crowd was a continual singing of Oseh Shalom which for those who don't know it is a call for peace for the Jewish people and peace for mankind.

The Israeli national anthem Hatikva was sung but not in a triumphalist or overtly nationalist way just with joy and pride. These tunes of hope not hate drowned out the mindless ranting from a small party of counter demonstrators which included supporters of clerical fascists and members of extreme left groupuscules. What a better way to do it drown out their hate with songs of joy and peace.

Despite the false rumours put about by some there was no evidence of BNP infiltration and a poster from another centre left site I read on my return quizzed those holding union jacks about bnp affiliation and they said 'oh we fight against the bnp we're just here to show how proud we are to be British and Jewish'.

The peaceful dignified way that the Peace for Israel and Gaza demonstrators showed will convince more people of the justice of the movement for peace than the thuggery of the pro Hamas supporters who sadly think they are helping Palestinians but instead are only prolonging their imprisoment.

Today was good and more good will come of it.

Shalom/Salaam

You and anyone who supports Israeli land grabs and baby murdering are the Nazis of today. Hopefully you will get all that you deserve.

 

[winjer]

The peaceful dignified way that the Peace for Israel and Gaza demonstrators showed will convince more people of the justice of the movement for peace than the thuggery of the pro Hamas supporters who sadly think they are helping Palestinians but instead are only prolonging their imprisoment.

How peaceful and dignified was it for some of those present to throw things at a lone heckler, and then push him into an icy fountain?

 

[Blagsta]

I'll have this link with you some time tomorrow. Can't be arsed to spoon feed you at the moment and I've got other things to do.

you've been very quiet lately

 

[obanite]

I think there's definitely scope for complete dispersal of demonstrations that cause the kind of mayhem that the Hamas fan club caused at the weekend.

To be more proactive, we could look at pre-emptively banning any marches organised by the various heads of the Socialist Workers' Hydra. They've got more form than Red Rum in this department and I can see no reason why the community should tolerate their self-indulgent disruption any longer.

Fuck you, you pathetic, authoritarian shit for brains.

To be more proactive, we should put anyone who calls for banning of our democratic right to protest's backs against the wall. That sounds better to me.

What next, ban socialists from voting in elections?

Fuck. You.

 

[Spion]

Fuck you, you pathetic, authoritarian shit for brains.

To be more proactive, we should put anyone who calls for banning of our democratic right to protest's backs against the wall. That sounds better to me.

What next, ban socialists from voting in elections?

Fuck. You.

Untethered is an active racist,

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7238966&postcount=50

 

[untethered]

To be more proactive, we should put anyone who calls for banning of our democratic right to protest's backs against the wall. That sounds better to me.

I support the right to protest. That doesn't include a right to smash up private property or attack the police.

If this kind of thing happens on a regular basis in connection with a particular type of demonstration it's reasonable that the good order of the community should come first.

 

[untethered]

Untethered is an active racist

Oh please.

I actively support the rapid integration of minority communities into mainstream society. It's a pity you don't.

 

[albionism]

I wish that civilian lives could have been spared in all this, all sensible and thinking people do but Israel does have a right to self defence and the Palestinians as well as the Israelis would be much better off without the presence of the butchers of Hamas.

And without the presence of white phosphorus.

 

[obanite]

I support the right to protest. That doesn't include a right to smash up private property or attack the police.

If this kind of thing happens on a regular basis in connection with a particular type of demonstration it's reasonable that the good order of the community should come first.

Bullshit. You want to ban protests based on their political leadership you cunt, not how people act.

Fuck you.

In fact, seeing as you never contribute anything worthwhile reading or that couldn't have been copy-pasted from the Daily Mail, ignored. Even fucking dwyer had more intelligent things to contribute than you.

 

[untethered]

Even f- dwyer had more intelligent things to contribute than you.

Now that's pretty low.