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Savage Henry said:
If people got paid more then I suspect inflation would also increase at a faster rate , there would be more people with more disposable income competing for houses driving prices up etc. the rich would still be rich and the poor would still be fucked over . It's the way life is in a capatialist society unfortunatly
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Indeed.

You can pay some people at a higher rate with no problems. If you pay lots of people at a higher rate the unavoidable result is that it drives up inflation, devalues the pound, and so ultimately you're back where you started - you may be earning twice as much as before, but goods & services will be twice as expensive....

The inescapable reality of any capitalism economy is that it doesn't matter in the slightest how much money you've got, all that really matters is how much money you've got compared to everyone else.
 
dessiato said:
today is my day for being a pedantic pain in this arse, so I would like to point out that you posted one hundred and ten thousand pounds per year for this job. At that rate I would consider it rather well paid.
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Today, I am feeling even more pedantic than you :) so I would like to point out that the OP actually stated £11 per year (plus two extra unnecessary 0s after the decimal point). That's pretty crap by anyone's standards :D

Seriously though, it *is* impossible to live on that kind of salary. That's why when you're on that kind of wage, you have to start negotiating the horror that is the tax credit system. When you've finished trying to do that, you still don't have enough to live on, and on top of it all your brain hurts :( The way I see it, the only people who can survive on this are (a) council tenants with their cheap housing, (b) young people who still live at home or (c) those willing to live in squats or dismal overcrowded flatshares in run-down areas with rock-bottom rent. Not a nice way to be rewarded for full-time work...
 
snoogles said:
Seriously though, it *is* impossible to live on that kind of salary. That's why when you're on that kind of wage, you have to start negotiating the horror that is the tax credit system. When you've finished trying to do that, you still don't have enough to live on, and on top of it all your brain hurts :( The way I see it, the only people who can survive on this are (a) council tenants with their cheap housing, (b) young people who still live at home or (c) those willing to live in squats or dismal overcrowded flatshares in run-down areas with rock-bottom rent. Not a nice way to be rewarded for full-time work...
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Not to mention the irony of the fact that such low salaries dissuade people from taking jobs, effectively giving them more incentive to stay on benefits, yet at the same time, the best way to move into a better, more lucrative job, is to already be in a job, any job. What's the first question any prospective employer will ask - "So what are you doing currently?". "Nothing", isn't the best answer.....
 
snoogles said:
Today, I am feeling even more pedantic than you :) so I would like to point out that the OP actually stated £11 per year (plus two extra unnecessary 0s after the decimal point). That's pretty crap by anyone's standards :D

Seriously though, it *is* impossible to live on that kind of salary. That's why when you're on that kind of wage, you have to start negotiating the horror that is the tax credit system. When you've finished trying to do that, you still don't have enough to live on, and on top of it all your brain hurts :( The way I see it, the only people who can survive on this are (a) council tenants with their cheap housing, (b) young people who still live at home or (c) those willing to live in squats or dismal overcrowded flatshares in run-down areas with rock-bottom rent. Not a nice way to be rewarded for full-time work...
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agree and it dosent inspire ppl to come off benefits either you should be much better off going out to work.
 
snoogles said:
Today, I am feeling even more pedantic than you :) so I would like to point out that the OP actually stated £11 per year (plus two extra unnecessary 0s after the decimal point). That's pretty crap by anyone's standards :D

Seriously though, it *is* impossible to live on that kind of salary. That's why when you're on that kind of wage, you have to start negotiating the horror that is the tax credit system. When you've finished trying to do that, you still don't have enough to live on, and on top of it all your brain hurts :( The way I see it, the only people who can survive on this are (a) council tenants with their cheap housing, (b) young people who still live at home or (c) those willing to live in squats or dismal overcrowded flatshares in run-down areas with rock-bottom rent. Not a nice way to be rewarded for full-time work...
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agree and it dosent inspire ppl to come off benefits either you should be much better off going out to work.
 
Depends on the location. NHS over here in Bristol want your body and soul to do 37 hrs admin 12 - 14 K. The job spec goes on and on and then addds the ultimate get out clause. Plus other duties as required.

e2a

My X started doing above job on 10.5 K a couple of years ago. They're a shit employer, stress burocrasy, high sickness rate, etc. Civil service aint always cushy.
;)

meanhwile, last place I worked, I got 15 K top of the scale for basically audio typing. Fucking shit though it was, the money I thought was pretty good considering.
 
How anyone (single) manages to live in London on less than 25k a year (and have a reasonable personal life) astounds me... :(
 
Savage Henry said:
Ok then lets think about this .

If the wages for a job paying £11,000 for 30 hours was increased by £3,000 a year then the company employing that person would want to make back that £3,000 . Since a lot of low paid jobs are in the retail/service industry the increase in cost will be passed onto the consumer or staff will be cut back to try and keep staff costs the same .
So by increasing wages for 1 part of society cost of living is increased and the wages increase will have a knock on effect onto other jobs as higher earning staff will need to earn more otherwise they will effectivly become less well paid in relation to prices .
As the higher earners get more money then it's likely that house prices will increase since they are going to move at least in line with inflation and the poor will still be poor .

So can you see why just increasing a wage artificially is unlikely to have a significant benefit to the people on that wage ?
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I don't think that was the point. The point, as I read it, was how the fuck do people live on that wage?
 
Kanda said:
How anyone (single) manages to live in London on less than 25k a year (and have a reasonable personal life) astounds me... :(
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I was on £17 grand when I first moved to London.

I got approximately £2k in debt over a year and a half, paid it off when my wages went up to £22k. I could have avoided the debt if I had been a little more careful with my money, though I would have been quite a lot more socially isolated. £22k is quite doable, though it suddenly seems more of an effort to break even every month now when I'm part of a couple. :confused:

£25 grand would be fucking lush, I wouldn't know what to do with myself! That's London average wage isn't it?

So it is possible, but when single, it involves shared houses, and is therefore feels like a bit of a youth thing. My first job outside London was £12k and it was criminally underpaid considering what I was doing, but I always knew that I would earn more than that in the future. If that was your general earning potential, no, I'm not sure how on earth you'd be able to afford a house. To be an adult with dependents on that wage - boy I'm not sure it seems possible, though I'm sure some people manage to do it. They have to. :(

Sorry, where was this job advertised?
 
Kanda said:
How anyone (single) manages to live in London on less than 25k a year (and have a reasonable personal life) astounds me... :(
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An awful lot do....

Chances are, most times you're buying your skinny mocha choca from Starbucks or that tofu & rocket salad from Pret, you're being served by a single person on less than 25K.....
 
EastEnder said:
An awful lot do....

Chances are, most times you're buying your skinny mocha choca from Starbucks or that tofu & rocket salad from Pret, you're being served by a single person on less than 25K.....
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Cheeky git! :D

What I mean is to be single, have a social life, somewhere decent to live that doesn't mean you have to live in shared accomodation etc etc.. cost of living and wage sucks etc etc...
 
Kanda said:
that doesn't mean you have to live in shared accomodation
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That's a big part of it. I've never earned close to 25k, and I live in London very comfortably indeed IMO. I couldn't afford to rent somewhere on my own though, but that's never been a problem to me as I've never really wanted to.

£25k a year is quite a lot of money though. Without wanting to have a go, anyone who thinks that is the minimum to have what you consider a 'decent' life is living in a bit of a bubble tbh.
 
Savage Henry said:
So by increasing wages for 1 part of society cost of living is increased and the wages increase will have a knock on effect onto other jobs as higher earning staff will need to earn more....
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So basically you're arguing for re-distribution then ;)
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
That's a big part of it. I've never earned close to 25k, and I live in London very comfortably indeed IMO. I couldn't afford to rent somewhere on my own though, but that's never been a problem to me as I've never really wanted to.

£25k a year is quite a lot of money though. Without wanting to have a go, anyone who thinks that is the minimum to have what you consider a 'decent' life is living in a bit of a bubble tbh.
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I don't live in a bubble, I'm pretty aware of stuff. Doesn't mean I can't think it's pretty shit state of affairs does it? (not just the wage, but the cost of living in London etc) :)
 
Kanda said:
I don't live in a bubble, I'm pretty aware of stuff. Doesn't mean I can't think it's pretty shit state of affairs does it? (not just the wage, but the cost of living in London etc) :)
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Well like I said, I earn considerably less than that and I've always been very comfortable here. If you think that you need £25k pa for a decent life you must be including quite a lot of luxuries in what you think is 'decent'.
 
No, you choose to live in shared accomodation, what if you really didn't want to? I think then it becomes a shit situation.
 
Kanda said:
No, you choose to live in shared accomodation, what if you really didn't want to? I think then it becomes a shit situation.
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The fact is that not everyone in London can have their own flat. That's the case regardless of wages - there just isn't enough available housing.

And I don't think having to share a house means you don't have a decent lifestyle. If that's your definition of what constitutes a shit situation then I'm happy with saying you live in a bubble.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
The fact is that not everyone in London can have their own flat. That's the case regardless of wages - there just isn't enough available housing.

And I don't think having to share a house means you don't have a decent lifestyle. If that's your definition of what constitutes a shit situation then I'm happy with saying you live in a bubble.
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I live in shared housing :)
 
Kanda said:
No, you choose to live in shared accomodation, what if you really didn't want to? I think then it becomes a shit situation.
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It's not really "shared" accommodation though - he lives in the one small corner of the flat that's not overrun with spangle's shoes....;)
 
EastEnder said:
It's not really "shared" accommodation though - he lives in the one small corner of the flat that's not overrun with spangle's shoes....;)
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:D

I don't think that counts. I have lived in shared housing since I was 18 up until February though. Generally very happily.
 
I think I have a great life.

But I still think it's a shit situation with the pay and housing costs in London.
 
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