The Obama Deception
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
dilute micro
esse quam videri
That's the whole thing. Being fucked already. Getting sidetracked on the correctness of every detail doesn't mean anything and doesn't disprove anything. If 2 people can do this you better believe a paranoid government will be all up into everybody's business for all the right reasons of course.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Well if you can identify how he is racist it would be helpful. You should also probably write to warn Professer Griff, KRS1 and Cynthia Mckinney who have all appeared in his films.
He moans about Mexican migration a bit too much which I dont like, but I really dont think that's a matter of racism.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
This would be the Professor Griff whom Chuck D kicked out of PE for making anti-semitic remarks?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ok, how's this taffboy - if you need a non-racist goon who moans about Mexican migration a bit too much like Alex Jones to inform you that the US President is linked to some nasty people, then you're fucked already.
Is that any better for you?
Is that any better for you?
Yeah, Alex Jones is blatantly quite dodgy, yet for some reason seems to find credence with some corners of the left.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Also because some people 'on the left' are desperate paranoid gullible tools.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Feelings of powerlessness, impatientence, thickness, anger, secret brain implants.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I bought some used sci-fi DVDs on ebay a few weeks ago. The seller did me the undoubtedly great favour of enclosing 3 DVD-Rs full of Alex Jones.
Having felt obliged to watch through them I can only say "get yourself a sense of proportion, and learn the difference between evidence and opinion, you fucking dingbat!
" to the man. Loads of wish-fulfillment stuck together with a few threadbare facts do not a "sound argument" make!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep, that's froggie to a tee, the reactionary Zionist-loving gimp-woman!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
hahahahaha
yes i do actually
*goes off to buy poster of tzipi livni*
I bought one of them.
I'm back to using Andrex now, though.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Excellent critical analysis!hahahahaha
yes i do actually
*goes off to buy poster of tzipi livni*
pmsl!
I think Jones is quite a good propagandist, so this is part of the reason. You can say his fans are just thick, and perhaps they are, but by the same token so are the great majority of the public who support the present system and read the completely idiotic, pathetic and transparent right-wing press and then absorb it as their opinion. In my experience this is what goes on.
Another part of Jones' appeal is that he is prepared to attack the establishment in a manner that the entire mainstream media will not. Some of it hits the mark, but the great majority of it is as Violentpanda describes:
I think others could easily do a far better job than Jones, but they aren't doing. They aren't doing the proper criticism of the 99% useless or corrupt establishment in terms of producing films or articles that will have an effect and broad appeal in the way that Jones has tapped into.
That's so wrong.
Yes, the system survives largely because so many people believe the hae a right not to think. If they do it at all, they do it on company time, or in the course of a meaningless "hobby".
Conspiraloons, in contrast, claim to be thinking. But they're mis-thinking, and they're misleading and misled.
ska invita
back on the other side
true, but
For all the faults of the more fanatical conspircists, Im still glad they are out there bringing up these issues, and investigating them - even if their conclusions become far fetched. Its misguided agit-prop, but fuck it, id rather this than hollyoaks.
Robin Ramsay of Lobster magazine makes a good point in his COnpiracy THeories book about how and why the traditional left dares not look into 'conspiracy' (any political act that is hidden) - i wont paraphrase it here, but its true, serious investigation of analysis of the instutions above and beyond the visible illusions of government are in very short supply.
ALex jones is far from perfect, but at least hes making the effort. This film ( i watched a bit) wasnt all bad - nice to see KRS pitching in! But i got as far as part 3 and started hearing the theory that the economic crash was done on purpose by the Bilderberg group to implement the new world order...errr...the usual wild unfounded speculation. As I said though, id rather watch this mixed bag of truth and nonsense than Skins
*Whats the racist charge against Jones Butchers?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ask Robin Ramsey what he thinks of Alex Jones. He's likely to argue (as i've seen him do) that what he and the like are engaged in is far removed from "serious investigation of analysis of the instutions above and beyond the visible illusions of government" -and that if anything, it discrediits and undermines the work of those who are invovled at the serious end. It's not hard to see that this is true from the almost across the board scoffing when real conspiracies or cover-ups are brought to light. 'At least he is making the effort' is not good enough if he's doing damage.
I'm interested in two things here, not living in england: on what basis do people like ramsey (and i assume yourself) argue that the likes of jones are 'doing damage' to the cause? Whatever that cause is.
And, can you tell me some names of those who are doing the 'serious investigation of analysis' of institutions that may be corrupt or committing crimes of power abuse and the like? Perhaps as well known as jones, but coming from the serious, non-conspiracy approach. I'd like to read them and compare what they say to the little i've seen from jones.
The thing is, i often hear that the likes of jones are doing this damage, but i've never seen anyone go onto explain just how this is so. And if these institutions are run by people committing crimes, why is no-one ever brought to book? Are the 'serious' investigators not cutting the mustard?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Look at the difference between Jones and journos like Pilger, or academics who publish like Chomsky - hell, even Naomi Klein - who manage to build evidence-based arguments without resorting to wild, hand waving toss.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Most independent bookstores are hanging on by their fingernails. We had great one here called Greenleaf (first shop to refueed to stock searchlight) that started off with serious books, then they were forced by the bankers to let in the ickes and so on, at the end there was one tiny corner with political books and a whole shop full of shit. It was the shit that was selling though.
Well, it was pilger's books that gave me my opportunity to see a different world than the one my media had fed me. Other great reporters of the age too.
But, what difference do their books and late night documentaries actually achieve? This is not to denigrate them at all, since i believe they do their job in full, and it's up to their readers to then respond.
But i don't see any fundamental changes to the regimes that were lying and fighting totally unnecessarily wars. Nothing seems to have got better from that basis of governance. It's just the same, if not worse.
So, if the likes of pilger can't make any kind of worthwhile difference, then maybe jones can? I don't know, i've seen little of his stuff. But he is a red flag to a lot of bulls on this forum. But if the serious investigators can't do it, then in what way are the likes of jones doing anything different?
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