The new right-wing political correctness

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by J Ed, Oct 17, 2015.

  1. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    In my view over the past few years we have seen the development of a sort of a melding of right-wing outrage culture and political correctness as a weapon to be wielded against those who are not initiated into the latest form of what is considered to be acceptable dispassionate discourse. In many cases right-wing politicians are not even using ill considered words by frustrated and desperate people against them, they are simply arguing that because they in X group are being criticised or slighted in some way then the criticism is about X group rather than, for example, policy.

    I think that what we are seeing, or at least the extent of it, is something new. It reminds me a lot of the identity politics of student union politicians who by and large have made pretty effective use of it albeit within a very limited and increasingly irrelevant subculture of a subculture.

    Here are some examples of what I mean:

    Tory minister Esther McVey calls on Ed Miliband to condemn 'sexist' campaign against her after she was branded a 'murderer' who is 'going to hell' by rivals

    As Jeremy Corbyn was anointed leader, not one female voice was heard

    Victimhood also seems to be a strong component of this. Take for example this public airing of victimhood on twitter

    In that twitter thread a number of Progress MPs are complaining about a letter that was sent to them for abstaining on the financial pledge which has been posted up to imply that somehow Jeremy Corbyn is guilty by association, the implication being that the worst example they can find by a Corbyn supporter can be extrapolated as being representative of his supporters generally. It is clearly part of a joint communication strategy to undermine Corbyn through a series of right-wing MPs publicly parading victim status. I noticed that this tactic seemed to begin to be used on a widespread basis in the run up to the Scottish referendum but it is now being used against supporters of the Labour leader.
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  2. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    I'd been wondering whether they were simply picking up on trolls' tactics.

    The rightwinger-as-victim trope goes back to the Nixon campaign, doesn't it?
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  3. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    ((((the one percent))))

    they're a minority, you know
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  4. Goes back as far as forever. Right wingers are always moaning. They bore me to tears sometimes.
  5. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    I agree with this but I think this is a new iteration of it. They are not only claiming that they are persecuted for being right-wing, but that the people criticising them are doing so because they are sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic or whatever. That is new I think.
  6. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    But the specific complaint about them being the poor victims of a liberal attack...

    Maybe not the Nixon campaign as such; more the lobbying push to un-happen the 60s, with the funding of the George Marshall Institute and everything else that led to the Project for a New American Century.
  7. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    It doesn't stand up, though, does it. It's pretty see-through, no, when a woman shouts misogyny for criticism of her when the criticism has nothing to do with her being a woman?
  8. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat lumpen proletaricat

    dunno really.

    some echoes of the democrat primary in 2008 when the party chose obama rather than hilary clinton (no doubt they would have found a token black person and shouted 'racism' if they had elected clinton instead)
  9. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    I don't know if it's effective or not, I think that they probably think that it is effective or there wouldn't be such a concerted effort to do it.
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  10. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    I'll have to try to remember examples.

    Does its current prevalence demonstrate a degree of fear at the emergence of a politics that labels itself "progressive"?

    A need to muddy the waters and try to confuse the issues? See also "we are the real Workers' Party"!
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  11. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    That has occurred to me, yeah. I think it's part of an overall effort to subvert left-wing language and put it to use towards right-wing ends.
  12. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    The 'you're anti-Semitic' accusation against criticism of Israel is another example of the same thing, no? That's been going for a while.
  13. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Also: elections are decided by stupid people people who aren't paying attention.

    If you're a rightwinger, do you calculate that it's to your advantage to perpetuate a "politicians are all as bad as each other" mood.

    All you have to offer, after all, is your better-funded slicker efforts to get name-recognition. Election reverts to a clash of the ad-men.

    And I say "men" advisedly.
  14. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

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  15. toggle

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    but you see, when some of those leftie women shout misogyny, lefties listen. so it must work.

    cause all they see is shouting by women. refuse to see an actual problem. so they reckon it's all the same so has to work.
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  16. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    in the case of your OP its less language appropriated vis-avis struggle but rather keywords thrown out to deflect. You can't tell me saying working mothers deserve a tax credit cut is out of order and \i should die because thats sexist as i am a woman. And so on. Its apeing the language without the structural analysis
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  17. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    Trolling, then :D
  18. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Yeah, they may well be that stupid/wilfully ignorant.
  19. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Bad trolling, though, the kind that exposes you as an idiot without you even realising.
  20. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    But only to those who are paying attention :(
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  21. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    not just them though. saw a lot of claims that failing to support female labour candidates was sexist. although the left wing credentials of the labourites making those are more than a little doubtful
  22. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    not to mention that it's one of laurrie penny's favourite tactics
  23. Hocus Eye.

    Hocus Eye. Snap, crop, scrap crap

    This has got me really mystified. I am not in thrall to Laurie Penny but can't see any evidence of your claim.
  24. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    don't doubt she gets loads of abuse, but she does have form for labeling disagreeing with her as sexist abuse. it's the same tactic of silencing disagreement of any sort

    do i have to dig through her tripe, or will you accept that Bakunin experienced this himself.
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  25. Hocus Eye.

    Hocus Eye. Snap, crop, scrap crap

    Well give me a clue or two.
  26. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    kick me tomoz. i have to work in the morning
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  27. Vintage Paw

    Vintage Paw dead stare and computer glare

    A Blairite candidate who failed to get her seat near me has done little but moan about how evil the women-hating Corbynistas are. Someone else I follow on twitter, who usually seems a decent sort, is now claiming she'll never vote Labour unless it's for a woman, as leader, MPs, whatever. When I asked when faced with a man who has left-wing policies versus a woman with right-wing policies, when it's obvious who would do more to help women as a whole, who would she vote for, she said the woman because reasons. God.

    Still, it really doesn't help matters when some people respond to this idiocy by sending rape and other violent threats to the women in question. It's all a big old fucking mess.
  28. nino_savatte

    nino_savatte No pasaran!

    Any justified criticism of Churchill is generally met with fury by right-wingers.
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  29. two sheds

    two sheds Least noticed poster 2007 (nom.)

    I like the way that racists/bigots often seem to bleat that left wingers are restricting their freedom of speech. No, you have the freedom of speech to make any racist, bigoted statement you like it's just that we have the freedom of speech to label it racist and bigoted. :)

    I do actually wonder what it is that they actually want to say that they now feel they aren't allowed to. As far as I was aware you can say what you like as long as you don't incite hatred or violence so I presume it's one of them two.
  30. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    Identity politics has been subsumed into the political right for a while, and this is why you now see it increasingly as a tool of the right towards the left. The Labour leadership election particularly has seen this, when you see Mensch, etc. all framing attacks using identity quite compatible with being right-wing and liberal. Which is why identity politics which I think has (had) it uses, ultimately is a dead end because it happily sits with neo-liberalism.

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