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The new GWR Hitachi trains - my verdict

Discussion in 'transport' started by editor, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    Are you going to enlighten us to what "facts" I got wrong or not?
     
  2. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I think I've run out of facepalms for the evening. It's all going a bit Tobyjug.
     
  3. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    So that's a "no" then? I suggest you stop talking cobblers.
     
  4. neonwilderness

    neonwilderness What would Badgers do?

    I wasn't being entirely serious with that point.

    No, they take a record of numbers of passengers on services and use that data to do some forward planning to strengthen services where appropriate. Clearly they won't get it right 100% of the time, but there must be some pattern to busy trains rather than it being completely random.

    Cross Country nearly managed it when they introduced the Voyagers, they doubled the frequency of trains on core routes. However they also halved the length of the trains so it ended up being a complete disaster, but they tried at least.
     
  5. mx wcfc

    mx wcfc Well-Known Member

    They've cut a lot of their trains from 5 to 4 coaches now too. The 5.50 train home is a fecking nightmare when it's a 4 car train. And reserving seats for a one or two stop commute will be illegal after the revolution.
     
  6. neonwilderness

    neonwilderness What would Badgers do?

    But you're not paying for a seat, so it doesn't matter. Apparently.
     
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  7. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Just about every service industry in the world, from travel to accommodation to others, easily manage to do this, so there is absolutely no excuse for TOCs in this country not to. It couldn't be any simpler, in fact. Want to buy a ticket with a guaranteed seat? These are the current prices. Prefer to stand or to chance it? Here's the cheaper fare. Couldn't be any simpler to implement, and would be infinitely fairer.

    Never mind what the current set-up is, would you actually have an objection to such system being implemented going forward if it was proposed?
     
  8. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    So, what you're telling me is that you want have to pay for something that you can currently do for free? :facepalm:
     
  9. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Way to miss the point again, and clearly quite deliberately.

    I'm telling you that if we are to allow people to stand up for hours on end on a long distance train journey, we should charge them less than those who get a seat. You do understand that basic principle of that idea, surely? Never mind what the current set up is now. I am asking about the principle of the concept. Do you agree the current set up is unfair, and would you actually object to the fare system to be changed to address this?
     
  10. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    No I don't actually. The system we have now is first come first served, and for those that wish to "guarantee" a seat (although there can never be a 100% guarantee of that) can do so by booking a reservation. How is that not fair?

    You seem to want some kind of fairly land system where somehow people can buy a ticket that is cheaper, but only if they later get on a train and can't find a seat. How is that going to work exactly? Only it won't be cheaper will it. No. Because atm you're not paying for a seat, so what in fact would happen is that you'd have to pay MORE to get a seat. How does that grab you?
     
  11. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    How are you going to guarantee seats for the people who have paid extra in the first place? What if more people turn up then there are seats on the train? What if the seats are already occupied?
     
  12. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    The Virgin East Coast trains leave a little gap even when they are locked. Probably not enough for an actual mid-dump reveal, but just enough to prevent full sphincter relaxation.
     
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  13. souljacker

    souljacker and this is fresh

    I was on one of these new trains earlier in the week. It was less carriages than usual and we had to stand all the way to Paddington which was shit. I didn't think to book a seat as you can usually get a seat when you're travelling off peak. Next time I'll book.

    Speaking of booking seats, not all services allow you to. You definitely can't book a seat on peak services from Reading to Paddington. It would be pointless anyway as there are so meany people standing in the aisles you'll be lucky to get anywhere near your seat.

    Also, boo to the lack of buffet cars. Used to be a laugh in there on a Friday night.
     
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  14. You can't book seats on SWR, in spite of some journeys being over three hours.
     
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And even if you do book a seat, it's not unusual to find it's been double - or in the case of my trip from Edinburgh to London once - quadruple booked.
     
  16. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here Banned

    Actually it's far more likely that the other people are in the wrong carriage on even on the wrong train.
     
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  17. existentialist

    existentialist It could always be worse.

    Because the one thing that's beyond question is that a train operating company ever makes a mistake.
     
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  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i think it's more on the premise that if editor says one thing bungle73 says something else.
     
  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Except in the case I've just given, I was in exactly the RIGHT seat and it had indeed been quadruple booked. And it does happen to other passengers. These are FACTS.

    Double-booked seat
     
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  20. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw "Ride me sideways" was another one

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  21. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    Not that often in my experience - having been stood in the middle on several occasions. with my reservation in hand ! and I know how to read the things.
     
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  22. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Back to the topic

    Literally picks up everything ed said.

     
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  23. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    I saw one if the new trains yesterday at Newport station. Not particularly impressed tbh.

    It's just a green version of the trains used in the Midlands, a step down from the lovely old school 125's.
     
  24. OzT

    OzT Online early mornings when at work ....

    Ah Bahnhof Strasse, if you had come to my window I woudl have got you seats booked! :)
     
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  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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  26. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    No window at all, even half of one - that's grim. Watching the countryside go by in a stress free environment is supposed to be one of the pleasures of train travel. May as well drive for a fraction of the price.
     
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  27. Jesus, the first class looks utterly shite compared to on the 125s!

    GWR1.JPG

    vs.

    GWR2.JPG


    Like Ibis vs. Dorchester ffs.
     
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  28. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    There is mention in the vid I posted and Ed has put on his link about why Leather seats can't be installed anymore! Health & Safety basically.
     
  29. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Strange, because some of the brand new European trains have them in (and brag about it!). Must be UK regs rather than EU, or just bollocks!
     
  30. Safe for airplanes, unsafe for trains. Chinny.
     

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